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- 16th August 2013, 16:10 at 4:10 pm #213224wsrgoParticipant
The Koiranen brothers have done something that nobody would be able to do..22nd August 2013, 9:07 at 9:07 am #213225wsrgoParticipant
Meanwhile, Alexander Sims has returned to the GP3 series, replacing Eric Lichtenstein at Carlin. He participated in a round earlier in the year, replacing Adderly Fong at Status.24th August 2013, 16:43 at 4:43 pm #213226
Here’s the Harvey-Sainz accident, for those who missed it (including yours truly):
24th August 2013, 17:12 at 5:12 pm #213227
I hope they get 1 race ban for Harvey.
There should be severe punishments for such stupidity in lower formulas.24th August 2013, 19:28 at 7:28 pm #213228EnigmaParticipant
Seemed like an honest mistake, Hamilton did the same thing two years ago. Punishments should go to those who do it repeatedly and deliberately, like Canamasas and Ceccotto.24th August 2013, 22:24 at 10:24 pm #213229
This is one of most dangerous type of collisions.
Pushing someone at 250+ kph isn’t safe (torn out gearbox is a testament to potential danger). And Harvey did push him on purpose.
There’s a saying in Russia, that safety rules are written in blood. These guys should be taught that it’s unacceptable. Giving Harvey 10 grid penalty when he already was starting 22nd makes no sense. He goes from no chance of scoring to no chance in hell. That’s not a punishment.
But i guess stewards are softbellies these days. Or may be they have directives to not have such harsh penalties to not scare off sponsors. I don’t know.24th August 2013, 23:38 at 11:38 pm #213230markyrcParticipant
@mr-prayer can you really say he did it on purpose? The guy made a mistake and apologise to the team and Carlos Sainz, a race ban would be an extreme thing to do, particularly with all the precedents.24th August 2013, 23:46 at 11:46 pm #213231Prisoner MonkeysParticipant
It was a dumb move, but I don’t think it was deliberate. Harvey just moved over too soon, and the move itself wasn’t necessary – Sainz was visibly slower coming off Radillion. Harvey would have comfortably rounded him up going into Les Combes, even without the racing line (which he had). I think he just misjudged the difference in speed and moved over to defend lest Sainz try to out-brake him. It was a legitimate move, based on everything Harvey knew at the time. But while it might have been stupid in retrospect, there was no malicious intent.
I know Kujala got a race ban for an accident at Silverstone, but the difference here is that Harvey just misjudged his position relative to another car. When Kujala hit Fumanelli, it was the result of an ambitious move and it was obvious to everyone except Kujala that it wasn’t going to work. Kujala should have seen it coming, but didn’t, and when it predictably ended with a car upside down, he got a race ban.25th August 2013, 8:33 at 8:33 am #213232
I don’t think Harvey misjudged the position.
First, he was half of length of the car in front. His rear tyre was behind front one of Sainz. Racers should be able to recognize such situations.
Second, look at replay. There were two moves. First he turn to the right, getting right next to Sainz. After he didn’t move Harvey decided to push once more and cut in front of him.
In my view it was deliberate intimidation, an attempt to put the opponent into worse position. To force him to move next to the grass and get off accelerator. And i think he should have get the message after Sainz didn’t move the first time. He misjudged not position but the opponent’s actions.
Yes, may be ban would be too harsh. But giving 10 place penalty that results in loss of 5 places makes even less sense than that to me. And again, this is lower formulas. These people should be taught the limits or we will see next Canamasas and Maldonado (and in some way Grosjean) later.
At least i hope that Harvey got his lesson. And that he’ll have a look at his actions and won’t repeat his mistake. His apologetic reaction suggest that but only time will tell for sure.7th September 2013, 15:32 at 3:32 pm #213233AnonymousInactive
I know the race is still going right now, but just let me be the first to say…
Do the GP3 drivers think flashbacks work in real life?
Jokes aside this is poor racing for the series.7th September 2013, 19:51 at 7:51 pm #213234
Dino Zamparelli has been suspended from race 2 following the pile-up he caused at the start of race 1:
Stewards have suspended Marussia Manor Racing’s Dino Zamparelli from Race 2 tomorrow. This was after they deemed he made a serious breach of the Regulations which had the potential to cause injury to others. Stewards had evidence Zamparelli had left the track deliberately and re-joined the track, colliding with another three cars.
It was a very clumsy move, but I’m not sure a race ban was in order there. He just dipped a wheel on the grass (which is clumsy) and after that he just was a passenger, no way he could have avoided hitting other cars.7th September 2013, 20:30 at 8:30 pm #213235
— Eftihios Tio Ellinas (@TioEllinas) September 7, 20137th September 2013, 20:42 at 8:42 pm #213236Oli PeacockParticipant
Just checked the GP2 website and it says that Zampirelli was given th ban because ‘He left the track which could cause injury to others’. So what? Is he meant to stay on the track and not bother to avoid an accident? Kinda felt bad for the guy seeing Tio and Conor gang up on him.7th September 2013, 21:16 at 9:16 pm #2132377th September 2013, 22:04 at 10:04 pm #213238Fer no.65Participant
That’s a weird accident.
But if that’s a 1 race ban, then Liuzzi in 2011 should’ve got a lifetime ban from driving…
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