Red Bull and Toro Rosso drivers plus Alonso take engine penalties

10 comments on “Red Bull and Toro Rosso drivers plus Alonso take engine penalties”

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   JohnH (@johnrkh)
   28th September 2018, 9:57

   Going to be interesting seeing some of these drivers trying to get through back markers without incident.
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   gotit
   28th September 2018, 9:58

   This is just bull. What has it got to do with racein really. It should be the teams who pay not the drivers. Money has to be saved so why not engines that can be rebuit as it used to be. F1 has lossed its way and iS no longer in the real world. It may make racein slower but everyone will be on the same level as it was in past times. You used to watch races when most of the drivers could win not just 3 or 4. Drivers wanted to get passed others not just sit behind thinkin no point passin.
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      anon
      28th September 2018, 10:23

      Your rant comes across as being a bit incoherent, and feels like it’s going off about “the good old days” without understanding what was happening in either of those eras.

      For a start, most of the engines will be rebuilt when they are returned to their suppliers – it’s a pretty common occurrence, unless the team are introducing mid season upgrades that means they switch out components. The idea of engines being a disposable item really only came into the sport in the 1980s, when some teams were throwing away engines after qualifying – even then, it was fairly common for engines which had been used during the races to be rebuilt and reused.

      Even in the 1990s and 2000s, most engines were not actually thrown away after use, but were rebuilt and then used again – Cosworth, for example, reckoned they would reuse about 90-95% of the components from their engines.

      As for the claim that “you used to watch races when most of the drivers could win not just 3 or 4”, the idea that “most of the drivers” could win is just fantasy – there has not been a single season where a majority of the drivers in the field have won a race: it has usually been a fairly small minority of drivers winning a race. We’ve had quite a few seasons in the past where it usually was just 3 or 4 drivers who won most races, so the scenario you describe is hardly now.

      When exactly is this supposed mystical period of equality supposed to have occurred – in a romanticised version of your childhood dreams? you claim that the sport has “lost its way”, but I’m not sure that the way that you think it had ever existed in reality, just in an idealised version that never existed and against which nothing can ever compare, because reality can never measure up to your impossible fantasies.
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         @HoHum (@hohum)
         29th September 2018, 1:23

         @ANON, although I sympathise with @gotit point of view I entirely agree with your ripost, 1 question though, if these engines are being rebuilt why are so few engines allowed before severe penalties are applied ? Surely the costs associated with 16 crew at the track to change wheels must be greater than having a couple of engineers at the factory tear down and rebuild the ICE between races.
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   Stephen Crowsen (@drycrust)
   28th September 2018, 9:59

   The Toro Rosso pair also have new power units this weekend as Honda has introduced the upgrade ahead of its home race next week. Running the new unit for the first time at Sochi will mean the drivers take the associated grid penalties this weekend instead of at Suzuka.

   I hope this upgraded Honda engine fulfils some expectations, especially expectations at Honda and Red Bull.
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   Joao (@johnmilk)
   28th September 2018, 10:17

   We know RBR will have another engine change, as they reverted for the B-Spec and will eventually fit a C-Spec again. So basically Daniel Ricciardo will have used more components than the STR guys, so decision to move to Honda already sounds like a better option than staying with Renault.
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      kpcart
      28th September 2018, 12:45

      But the c spec will be the same one they have already used so no penalty
5. 

   Jere (@jerejj)
   28th September 2018, 10:51

   I’m expecting an overtaking-show from the RBR-drivers.
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      @HoHum (@hohum)
      29th September 2018, 1:26

      @jerejj, assuming they don’t spend the entire race battling each other.
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   kpcart
   28th September 2018, 12:45

   But the c spec will be the same one they have already used so no penalty

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