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Monaco Grand Prix F1 telemetry revealed

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In the round-up: See detailed telemetry from an F1 car at this year’s Monaco Grand Prix.

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Telemetry and Data Analysis Introduction (ScarbsF1)

“Earlier this year an F1 fan offered me a set of telemetry sheets, they found discarded in a Monaco pit garage. These sheets compare the laptime of two team mates around a lap. With this unique opportunity we can start to understand how the driver benefits from this data.”

F1 2011 Gamescom Trailer with Safety Car (YouTube)

Excellent F1 2011 trailer with re-created highlights from this year’s races so far. Codemasters created the video using the game’s multiplayer mode.

Bernie Ecclestone faces F1 sale lawsuit (The Daily Telegraph)

“Bernie Ecclestone is facing a multi-million pound lawsuit over the controversial sale of the sport six years ago.”

Kubica’s recovery set to accelerate (Autosport)

“Doctor Riccardo Ceccarelli has admitted that the Pole, who suffered life-threatening injuries in a crash during the Ronde di Andora Rally on February 6, has been held back by the lack of the movement in his right elbow.”

Red Bull: No public F1 show car event in Austin this week (Austin-American Statesman)

“Due to feasibility, a formal Formula 1 show car demonstration that is open to the public will not be executed this week.”

Need efforts to generate interest in Indian GP: Ecclestone (Deccan Herald)

“It will be one of the nicest circuit and will complete in time. People are there, checking everything on daily basis. It will be in good shape.”

A Ferrari on the road to Rotterdam (Ferrari)

“This morning, an F10 Formula 1 car left the F1 Clienti Department in Maranello, heading for Rotterdam, which this weekend hosts the Bavaria City Racing event, which has run since 2006, hosting various protagonists from the world of international motorsport.”

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Comment of the day

Gubstar spotted Sebastian Vettel on a recent trip to Spa-Francorchamps:

When we went to Spa in 2009, me and my mate managed to sneak into the circuit while it was closed to the public (we were genuinely trying to get to the kart track to see if it was open)and do a lap around the edge of the catch fencing whilst following Vettel as he was doing his track walk.

He had a bit of a joke with us as we were clad in our Brawn gear, and we were trying to out walk him to the finish line. Unfortunately he won (as usual) as we had to try and sneak back out to the camp site before we got near the pits.
Gubstar

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  • 83 comments on “Monaco Grand Prix F1 telemetry revealed”

    1. More F1 2011 gameplay videos, showing Buddh International:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hF6cL6WwfyE&feature=player_embedded

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPDcbJx0Qqc&feature=player_embedded

      Sound quality is terrible, but the circuit looks fantastic (even if it is a guess on Codemasters’ part, like Korea last year).

      1. Two things:

        1. Buddh has to be the most ridiculous name for a circuit ever

        2. It does indeed look like an interesting circuit. Not exactly mind blowing, but there certainly seem to be a few decent corners. Now that Turkey is off the calendar, I wonder if the long right hander will claim the mantle of Tilke’s greatest corner?

        That said, pretty though all the grandstands, garages and towers look, I fear the trackside architecture may end up dwarfing the track itself, like in Shanghai

        1. 1. Buddh has to be the most ridiculous name for a circuit ever

          Why, exactly?

          1. It’s named after Buddha. True story.

            1. LOL — thanks for clearing that up, PM! But isn’t it also a reference to the district in which the circuit is located? Gautam Budh Nagar district?

            2. Important thing is if there will be cows, beggars and hungry farmers running on track. LOL!

              COWS: There are cows everywhere around the world including our very own Britain. I’ve seen cows in an open farm near brands hatch that almost made its way onto the track.

              BEGGARS: I’d say beggars are far better than the looters of tottenham & lewisham. Beggars in India are never known to have indulged in acts of violence.

              FARMERS: I’ve seen lunatic Irish priests holding placards running down hanger straight(and almost killing Webber) at silverstone in 2003.

              My suggestion to you Ninad is to stop stereotyping everything. Just accept the fact that India is a major player in the world nowadays.Look at the European banks around you, they are crumbling like cookies & yet India had a positive growth pattern.

              I am a dutch citizen who was in india last year for 2 months and can confirm to you guys sitting there in UK that its not what it was when you guys left them in 1947.

            3. Not to be borish, but stereotypes (while often unfortunate) tend to have roots in reality. Count the glasses of wine on a table in Paris, there will be one for each person. On your fingers, try to count the number of Englishmen who hasnt had a cup of tea in 1 week, dont worry, you’ll have enough. Find an American who has never owned an SUV, or an Italian who turns his nose up at pasta, on both counts, good luck. Truly, there are exceptions, but stereotypes exist because THEY ARE TRUE MOST OF THE TIME.

              In my trips to India, I have been slowed in traffic by livestock on the streets in the heart of Bombay. In that same city I have been set upon by a crowd of overly aggressive beggers who got my money and one of my shoes before I was free. Indeed, Farmers in the southern regions are known to commit suicide when their lands are taken away.

              Its a sick world people, and as much as you would like to think we are all unique gems imbued by our creator with some magical pixy dust that somehow makes us special, it just isnt so.

              BTW, Naming a furious race track with a label so deeply attached to concepts of peace and serenity, seem a bit of insult to both.

          2. Because he would prefer the Christian International Circuit.

            1. Important thing is if there will be cows, beggars and hungry farmers running on track. LOL!

            2. Its quite sad that you still have that kind of an impression about India. Ours is one of the fastest growing economies in the world. Yes, there is still poverty and cows and hungry farmers here. But, that is not the only India.

            3. @Dileep Nair – Teasing Ned Flanders about him not liking the name of a circuit does not mean I have a negative impression about India.

            4. @David A – I wasn’t responding to your comment, though I had actually replied to it. I was responding to Ninad’s comment. For some strange reason, I don’t have the option of replying to it. I could understand your comment in the right spirit. Cheers!

            5. Dileep, I think Ninad’s comment was a poorly-timed joke. A group of famers has threatened to “take the race apart” and “by force if necessary” because they are upset over the way the project has been handled. I think Ninad is implying that the locals will form an army out of their cows and local beggars to invade the circuit and disrupt the race.

          3. how to pronounce it?

            1. I imagine it would be pronounced “bood”, rhyming with “wood”. The circuit is named for Buddha, and everyone I’ve heard has pronounced that name “bood-ha”.

        2. It does indeed look like an interesting circuit. Not exactly mind blowing, but there certainly seem to be a few decent corners.

          I especilly like that double-apex left that dips down into the right-hander. When plans for the circuit emerged, a lot of people were critical of it because they thought it was just a chicane, but if the real thing is anything like this video, it could be one of the best corners in the entire championship.

          1. Ive never heard it pronounced “Bood-ha” more “boo-dha”. Anyway, as a Hindi speaker, it is a Hindi word and makes perfect sense, its pronounced more like “bu-d(huh)”, the h is very soft and is used to soften the d sound

            1. Well, the only people I hear saying it regularly speak Dzongkha as a first language, so maybe it’s an accent thing.

      2. Those are really nice images, it might just be Tilke has finally learned how to do a track right.

        1. I think he’s always known – he’s just had his hands tied. After all, the Jochen Rindt Kurve he added to the A1-Ring (his first full project) was a real challenge; it even placed at number one on the list of Top Ten Tilke Turns.

          When you’re given a tract of reclaimed swampland on the outskirts of Shanghai or a man-made island outside Abu Dhabi and told to build a circuit there, there’s not really a lot you can do there. But on the other hand, you’ve got Buddh International and the Circuit of the Americas, both of which are built around the natural geography of the site.

          The reception to the Circuit of the Americas was so good that Bernie Ecclestone promised to relax the rules on circuit design and get Tilke into the design process. He’s no longer just given a piece of land to build on – he now gets to consult on which piece of land should be set aside.

          But the difference between Austin and New Delhi compared to Shanghai and Abu Dhabi is that the races are being organised by people who are genuinely enthused about motorsport as opposed to faceless bureaucrats who just want a Grand Prix to promote their country. Sure, India will receive a publicity boost from the attention the race generates, but people like Vicky Chandhok and Vijay Mallya (who have influence with the Indian motorsport federation) know that having a circuit conductive to good racing will do them even more favours.

          1. I do have a bit if a soft spot for Tilke, for reasons you pointed out above. Interesting he now has some influence over geography, where did you read that?

            1. It was an Autosport article that was published shortly after the plans for the Circuit of the Americas was released. There was never a follow-up article to actually confirm it, but it was pretty obvious that Bernie was going to make it happen.

            2. Thanks for that :)

          2. I know he knows his craft and is able to make good corners etc. (Ned Flanders guest article on those showed that quite nicely).

            But the fact COTA, and possibly India as well, even Korea to a certain extent is good is more because the people building the track got involved with racing enthusiasm. As well as him finally getting at least a bit of competition from Populous’ successfull approach in Silverstone.

            The decade before that he was doing his standard thing as being the sole track supplier. Each of these tracks follow more or less the same ideas and concept.
            I agree, that the FIA, land provided and Bernie did not do anything to improve this, but nor did Tilke himself. That is what you get for monopolies.

            1. Okay, in the period from 1999-2009 – the decade you’re referring to – Tilke built the following circuits: Sepang, Shanghai, Bahrain, Valencia, Abu Dhabi, Singapore, Fuji and Istanbul, as well as re-designs of Hockenheim, the Nurburgring and the Hungaroring.

              Sepang is probably the best of these circuits. It’s got a nice mix of sweepers and technical challenges. Likewise Istanbul, which is unfortunate because the crowds just aren’t coming. If it were in Western Europe, I think the Istanbul Park circuit would be one of the most popular events.

              Shanghai gets a bit of a bad reputation, but I think it’s underrated. Add a little rain and the circuit puts on a good show.

              Bahrain has some decent parts, and would probably be epic if aerodynamics were banned. But it’s not exactly flavour of the month after the calendar debacle.

              Singapore has shades of brilliance. A few minor changes would make it fantastic. But a lot of it is limited by the geography of the city.

              Such is the case with Valencia – the first two sectors are dictated by the shape of the harbour, but the back half (which was purpose built) has some good stuff in it.

              Abu Dhabi is the true stinker. Fiddly chicanes ruin the flow, and make it a circuit that naturally favours the defending driver. But if they were removed, the first half would be terrific. It’s the section along the waterfront that ruins it.

              As for the redesigned circuits, most of them are limited by the restrictions put in place. Take Hockenheim for example: Tilke obviously had to treat the existing circuit as a boundary, and the shape of the infield meant there was never much that could be done. Likewise the Nurburgring, which had a very cramped infield before he designed the Mercedes Arena.

              And the new first turn at Hungaroring seems to have improved the rate of overtaking.

            2. Exactly my point PM.

              yes, Sepang was good. But then Tilke automatically got each track and designed something that is more or less fine, with a few nice things at each, but never anything special.
              There was no one pushing him, and he didn’t take it to a new level either.

              Mind, I am fully convinced, that his project planning, engeneering, and design/architectural skills are top notch, and he will probalby prove that at COTA (and possibly in India). But in said decade he didn’t.

      3. Thw track looks pretty good, I just don’t like the look of all those chicanse, they seem to ruin the flow to be honest.

        1. Wow what happened to my spelling? lol
          *The
          *Chicanes

        2. What chicanes? They all look reasonably quick to me.

          1. Like the bit after the double left, and the chicane after that. I think the whole double left into a tight right part will be slower than it looks and will kill the speed of what could be a reasonably fast double left. The other chicane seems decent and (according to the game) has some kind of gradient change, but it just seems slightly plonked there for the sake of it.

      4. Looks like any Tilkedrome to me. A few interesting corners interspersed with “for the sake of it” sections, long straight bookended by two slow corners. The long rights looks pretty good though.

    2. That game trailer is amazing!!!

      1. That game trailer is amazing!!!

        Nope. There’s Vettel´s finger ruining it at the end…

      2. Wow :D

        It really looks like the cars are driving on the track now!

        That Petrov bit shows just how much the physics are improved.

        The finger? Wow :D
        As long as they have more than one set of animations it will be great.

        1. Assuming that 2011 plays like 2010, as in you play yourself, I don’t see how we will get to see that much animation.

          1. There may be a custom animation solely for the player, and all animations will show whenever the player finishes on the podium.

      3. Will I be able to jump in the air like Petrov? Yeah!

    3. That telemetry story is great! Any chance, if you could get hold of some old sheets, that you could run a “pick the track from the telemetry” competition, Keith?

      I’ve got a vague recollection of something similar here before, but my memory’s not that good….

      1. There was a “spot the race from the unannotated lap chart” competition, which was really, really tough.

    4. Loved the telemetry link. Going to forward it on to a few people who just don’t “get” how looking at a sheet of paper can help you go faster lol

    5. Telemetry is awesome. The F1 games need telemetry again!

      1. Actually F1 2010 outputs telemetry.You need a special app for that and another program to view it.It’s not extremely deep and some layers are missing but it’s possible: http://www.racedepartment.com/downloads/f1-2010-misc-54/f1-2010-data-logger-5457/

        1. I’m guessing this is for PC? I have an Xbox 360…

      2. If Geoff Crammond could do it in either F1GP or GP2 back in the early 90’s then there’s no reason it shouldn’t be doable now

        1. GP2 had telemetry certainly. i think it’s still my favourite racing game (except Grand Prix Legends, actually, hate to think how much of my adolescence was spent playing that)

    6. That CVC / EM / FOM deal just keeps bringing up “new” angles. Hard to tell so far what really happened (nice to see that article state the few facts), but from the way it keeps bringing up new tidbits of information and angles, there was surely more to it than is known in general.

    7. Interesting article from Scarbs. Pity I can’t really read it in detail on my phone but will have a look later.

      1. I started reading it in the night and then decided to have a look again after getting some sleep, ist just so comprehensively and detailed.

    8. I’ve always been fascinated by data logging and data acquisition. Here is a video showing live telemetry.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_u59PEvcFs&feature=related

    9. Now I challenge someone to figure out whose telemetry sheet is that. Only a reeeally f1fanatic would be able to do that :)

      1. Might be able to glean some clues from the maximum speed trace, at least eliminate some teams it can’t be.

    10. You all have to read the comments at the bottom of the Austin Red Bull demo story – Theres some rather amusing chat going on, I can see the event there will not exactly be “universally accepted” by the locals?

      1. It seems a few hard core anti F1 fanatics turn up in just about every comments chat to news having to do with F1 though. I keep seeing the same type of comments from the same people (although that counts for both “sides”).

        1. Reading that comment at first I thought you meant people who hate F1 Fanatic as opposed to people who hate F1!

    11. Another nice video of the F1 2011 gameplay in multiplayer (via @Damonsmedly on twitter) http://t.co/1aPG7ms

      1. I’m sure Pixar appreciate the plagiarism of their logo …

      2. I really hope Codemasters do something with the online mode. I’ve been playing DIRT 3 online, and every time I do a Rallycross or Landrush game, the first corner usually ends in a multi-car pile-up. I like to take the time to pick my racing line, but some people just figure they can ram their way through, which obviously ruins the game. I’m hoping this won’t be an issue in F1 2011 – maybe if Codemasters made the cars fragile so that anyone who bashed their way through would almost immediately be sent to the back of the pack while pitting for repairs. Sure, it would ruin the race of the guy it happened to, but once people realised that it was no way to race, it would not be a problem. At the very least, they could make extreme damage an option.

    12. Call me mad, stupid or naive, but I think this telemetry thing must be banned to save costs & expose the technical brain of drivers. Drivers have to use their skills and brains and not take advantage from technology to solve their car issues.

      The problem is drivers are basically weak in physics and most importantly in Mathematics. A good understanding of Integral and Differential Calculus in multiple variables is required to analyze the dynamics of a F1 car. Clearly these drivers have not studied beyond middle school. I doubt if any of these modern day f1 drivers can expand (a + b)^2.

      I think a rule must be enforced upon drives that if they want to be in F1 they must have studies at least BSc in Mathematics and Physics. This rule will sort out the wise from the dim.

      I think

      1. Clearly these drivers have not studied beyond middle school. I doubt if any of these modern day f1 drivers can expand (a + b)^2.
        I think, that if you actually went through the trouble, you would find that is pretty far from the truth.
        There are quite some engineering degrees between drivers. And didn’t Nico Rosberg actually study physics and combine it with a lot of other fancy things? Not to mention 5 languages (or 6?).

        1. that first part should have been a blockquote, forgot to complete that sry.

        2. Yes I agree with what you have to say about Nico Rosberg, but what about the rest? Lewis Hamilton comes across as a very dim person. He doesn’t seem to have the scientific or mathematical brain to gauge the wetness of a track, as seen in Hungary.

          Maybe his brain isn’t able to process physical data and analyze it mathematically to make correct judgments during pit stops, this is as a result of him not being well versed in Newtonian mechanics and Calculus.

          1. Lol and Button is working out friction levels in his mind on a drying track? Of course he isn’t – drivers work on experience and instinct, not mental calculations.

            1. Icthyes, leave him be, he’s a…well i dont want to say the word, but it rhymes with ‘roll’. I would ask him if his brain is ‘able to process physical data and analyze it mathematically to make correct judgements’ while he’s driving in the city, or waiting at a stop sign.

            2. At Hungary last year, Jenson Button noted the tyre choices of the six cars in front of him on the opening lap, and factored each one of them into his pit strategy. And he did it at 300km/h. Even Martin Brundle reckoned it was brilliant:

              “You’ve gotta be impressed by that. That’s Jenson looking down the track and noticing that Rubens Barrichello, who is five cars in front of him – he’s noticing Barrichello’s tyre choice! I’m massively impressed by that.”

          2. Flavio, you are talking out of the same place the drivers drive by, and they are making better use of it.

      2. I don’t even know how to respond to this.

        Instead of drivers having to be able to read their telemetry, you propose every driver have to be intelligent enough to do calculus and work technical stuff out based on – what, exactly? You’d need to be able to collect the data necessary to make the calculations, so basically you end up with a more complicate version of what we already have, without removing any of your hated technology.

        I’m sorry but this post is plain ridiculous. When a driver makes a tyre call, you think he does calculus in his head?

        1. Strangest theory I’ve ever heard.

          Sorry Flavio, but I agree with Icthyes here.

    13. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CA9g2laCP2s&feature=player_embedded#!

      Another F1 2011 gameplay video, this time showing a pit stop and the AI pulling off some nice moves.

      The driver’s steering when entering and exiting the pit box look rather unnatural to me.

      1. If that vid is real, it looks like they have at least got rid of stupidly long waiting times for people behind you getting past in the box.

        1. I believe that was a glitch – a massive glitch – in the release build, and was corrected by a patch. I think the glitch meant that the car would remain in the pit box until all cars in the lane went past, rather than just the cars that were within range of the player’s pit box (thus causing a collision when released).

    14. Great gameplay video clip compilation. Very realistic, the easiest way to tell it’s game footage is that the camera angles are way better than reality. Come on TV people! Improve your coverage – games can show you the way!

      @Flavio – I love the idea of requiring a PhD in physics to drive an F1 car… and doing the complex maths in real time, superb. But where would you put the whiteboard, marker pen and damp sponge in the car?

      1. LOL for the PhD remarks!

        I think quite a high amount of these drivers would be up to the task, even if we gave them a whiteboard to write remarks on instead of the team radio :-)

        1. Thanks. It seems to me that many of the drivers are pretty smart.
          It’s not a game for dimwits. A certain hard-hearted brand of “fighting intelligence” can help a lot – Schumacher in his heyday was a very canny operator.

          On the other side of the coin, some drivers are clearly emotional and passionate too, and maybe this masks their intellectual prowess when interviewed. Hamilton being a case in point. Button comes across as a lot more balanced but much less passionate.

    15. Checking out Rotten Tomatoes, Senna currently has a 91% ‘fresh’ rating from all critics, 95% from the top critics, and 97% approval from the audience.

      I suspect Senna could be in with a shot at Best Documentary at next year’s Oscars.

      1. that would be amazing! F1 at the oscars.

    16. love the ‘air Petrov’ and Montreal-slips-away-from-Vettel moments. i thought it was a cleverly done video. In addition to the safety car, hopefully we can turn off ‘the finger…’

      1. hopefully we can turn off ‘the finger…’

        Unlikely. It’s a pre-programmed animation. The only way to turn it off would be to turn all animations off, but since Codematers have said they want to make success on-track relatable to the player through the cut-scenes, it’s unlikely they can be turned off.

        Your only hope is to repalce Vettel in career mode.

    17. Mark Hitchcock
      19th August 2011, 15:20

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6706Xz6xYPY

      Just found this completely random video on a camping website when I was looking for tents. Wasn’t expecting it at all!
      Jenson and Lewis putting up a tent…

    18. Not fair, the Germans get the game two days before us!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Outragous!!!!

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