The FIA has summoned three teams in response to a request by Haas for the results of the United States Grand Prix to be reviewed.
Red Bull, Aston Martin and Williams, as well as the complainants Haas, have been requested to attended a hearing via video conference on Wednesday at 3pm Central European Time.As is standard practice, the first part of the hearing will consider whether there is grounds for a review of the results. The stewards of the United States Grand Prix – Felix Holter, Andrew Mallalieu,
Derek Warwick and Dennis Dean – will decide whether Haas has provided a “significant and relevant new element which was unavailable to the party seeking the review at the time of the decision concerned”.
If the stewards decide there is grounds for a review to go ahead, they will proceed with the second part of the hearing “at a time to be advised”.
Haas have requested a review of two documents: the final classification of the race and a decision to take no further action against Alexander Albon for multiple track limits breaches. The Williams driver was given a five-second penalty for exceeding track limits on four occasions.
Albon committed a total of six track limits offences during the race. Had further breaches been overlooked by the stewards he could have received a further penalty.
Document 59, which Haas requested a review of, states “whilst there might be some indication for possible track limit infringements in turn six, the evidence at hand is not sufficient to accurately and consistently conclude that any breaches occurred and therefore take no further action.”
Albon was classified ninth after his penalty, less than five seconds ahead of Haas driver Nico Hulkenberg.
Of the other teams summoned, Red Bull’s drivers Max Verstappen and Sergio Perez finished first and fourth, while Aston Martin’s sole finisher was Lance Stroll in seventh place.
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Jere (@jerejj)
6th November 2023, 13:25
Just let it go.
Billy Rae Flop
6th November 2023, 14:08
Well if they’re going to enforce track limits then they better do it properly, otherwise “just let it go” should be the new slogan for the laxing of track limits rules
MichaelN
6th November 2023, 14:12
On the contrary, it’s great to see a team usually on the receiving end of the stewards inconsistency finally stand up for themselves. If the stewards can’t enforce the rules, either they or the rules need to change. Not just ignore it whenever it suits their whims.
Mark (@blueruck)
6th November 2023, 14:31
Not really, as others have said, enforce the rules equally.
Sounds like the FIA missed some clear violations. They don’t seem to miss Haas when it is time to fly the meatball.
Johns
6th November 2023, 14:45
Why Max and Sergio?
Keith Collantine (@keithcollantine)
6th November 2023, 14:53
The documents only refer to Red Bull and don’t specify either or both drivers.
I suspect it’s targeted at Perez. From his onboard video after the race it looks like he was potentially over the white line quite a few times at turn six.
Kribana (@krichelle)
6th November 2023, 16:31
Same. A post on facebook was showing that Perez and Albon had multiple track limit violations.
Jim from US (@jimfromus)
6th November 2023, 15:22
Under the rules, Haas has the ability to request a review. The thing I find interesting is that in a related article someone suggested that race control is short staffed due to cutbacks. If true, why does race control focus on the lesser teams instead of the top teams?
Also hate to bring up a very sore subject, but I am still annoyed that no other team lodged a protest against Masi’s final ruling. Drivers like RIC also stopped for new tires anticipating a restart, yet lapped drivers were left between him and the next driver in position. People said that it didn’t affect the standings, but it does affect driver’s career stats. The same with these track limit violations, some drivers are penalized, others are not for the same infraction, and it does reflect on the drivers’ career stats.
MichaelN
6th November 2023, 15:57
Meanwhile Liberty can’t find enough coffers to stuff all their millions in. For this reason and others, it’s high time for the FIA to increase the fees on F1 participation. Both to fund its own operations, and to subsidize junior categories and decrease the importance of having rich parents in said series.
anon
7th November 2023, 21:18
MichaelN, I would be curious to know if you have actually looked at the FIA’s own financial reports, because it raises the question of whether the problem is really the money coming in, or how the FIA has been spending that money.
The FIA’s financial reports from 2021, which are the latest available, show that the FIA’s income was around €115 million, even allowing for those revenues dropping slightly due to the pandemic. Their income had been fairly steadily increasing in the decade from 2009 to 2019, but some of the more recent reports indicate that some of the FIA’s financial investments outside of motorsport have not gone well, with the income from those investments having dropped as market uncertainty has increased.
Sulayem has also hinted that the recent legal proceedings by Jens Nygaard against the FIA for breaching his patent rights also caused financial problems for the FIA. Although the exact terms of the settlement with Nygaard are confidential, Sulayem has indicated that the settlement involved the FIA paying Nygaard compensation for breaching those patents, plus paying Nygaard an additional lump sum to purchase the patent rights from him. Should the teams be the ones having to pay for the FIA’s mistake in breaching Nygaard’s patent rights?
Keith Collantine (@keithcollantine)
6th November 2023, 15:58
@jimfromus
No, we’ve not reported anything like this.
Manto
6th November 2023, 16:47
I can’t see any difference with the Massa Singapore race, but he gets laughed at when he addresses the matter
Robert
6th November 2023, 23:30
At the lower end of the field a few points swing back or forth often mean a change in the manufacturers standings, worth several millions in prize money. While the same can sometimes be true at the front, generally the gaps are bigger there so a couple of points rarely matters as much. At this stage, a handful of extra points is worth significantly more for Haas than the same would be for RedBull. That said, it’s currently almost as close between Merc and Ferrari, and McLaren and Aston, as it is for Haas and Alfa at the back.
However, any team could have filed for a review. I can’t see how a short-staffed race control would make any difference to that.
anon
8th November 2023, 11:26
You are getting your answer in the way that most posters here are responding.
Given that the attitude towards teams like Haas is usually indifference or contempt, few care if they are penalised. Penalise a big team like Red Bull, and they have the fan base to pressurise the FIA.
jhg103 (@joshgeake)
6th November 2023, 15:48
Shouldn’t they be summoning the race stewards?!
notagrumpyfan
6th November 2023, 15:58
The race stewards should summon themselves?
https://twitter.com/fiadocsbot/status/1721507971073544215/photo/1
notagrumpyfan
6th November 2023, 16:03
Nothing a simple detection loop and measuring device on each axle couldn’t resolve instantaneously.
SteveR (@stever)
6th November 2023, 16:25
Nothing a well designed race track wouldn’t prevent.
sam
6th November 2023, 17:25
Not a damn thing wrong with the race tracks. No matter where the white line is they will drive over it.
kuvemar
6th November 2023, 17:58
Not if the space between the white line and the wall/gravel is less than one car’s width.
TylerS
6th November 2023, 19:26
Pastor Maldonado oversteers into the chat…
drmouse (@drmouse)
6th November 2023, 20:06
Brilliant!
dot_com (@dot_com)
7th November 2023, 0:14
I would kind of feel bad for Lando if his first win came weeks after the race. It reminds me of that time Fisichella was handed the winners trophy at the next race back in 2002? 2003?
NM
7th November 2023, 9:06
i think it’s more about Perez