Attitude is everything, or why I don’t like Kimi Raikkonen
- 18th March 2013, 7:19 at 7:19 am #228932wsrgoParticipant
I also don’t get the ‘I wanna go racing!'(in Korea 2010 only to be humiliated by Rosberg on the restart), ‘I’m gonna keep asking for downforce'(testing, 2013) and several other things that Lewis Hamilton(not to forget his attacks on Vettel off late) says. But I don’t make a forum thread on it, because I know that many people will not share my thoughts. I keep them to myself. Unfortunately, keeping thoughts to oneself is too difficult for @magnificentgeoffrey and @prisoner-monkeys..18th March 2013, 7:31 at 7:31 am #228933Magnificent GeoffreyParticipant
@wsrgo I don’t understand that at all. There’s nothing wrong with you having those opinions and sharing them on this site, especially if you can back them up with genuine reasoned arguments. That’s the whole point about a Formula 1 site such as this, to encourage genuine, mature debate and exchange of opinions. If people don’t like your opinions or disagree, they can simply reply and offer a counter argument or just ignore you completely.
As it happens, I’m also not a fan of Lewis Hamilton myself for a number of reasons and I would be happy to explain why if I was asked (the only reason I wrote something about Alonso to begin with is because I was fed up of people asking me why I didn’t like him). You shouldn’t shy away from giving your opinion because of what it is – it’s how you give your opinion that matters. Making a deliberate thread like this to make your argument in a proper and reasoned manner is fine, in my view. If people are really bothered by it, they can either offer their own argument, or they can simply ignore the thread completely. On the other hand, making a knowingly provocative comment on the ‘rate the race’ article that also completely contravenes the guidelines for rating races just because you’re upset that a driver you don’t like has won a race is the entirely wrong way to go about expressing your controversial opinion.18th March 2013, 7:49 at 7:49 am #228934KingsharkParticipant
I didn’t create an ‘anti-Alonso blog’. I wrote one single post about Alonso, with reasoned arguments, and put it on my own personal blog. I didn’t try to draw any attention to it myself on this site, it just happened to be featured on the round-up.
My mistake, though I do remember reading that post a while back. I merely looked over it, then left. I thought the whole blog evolved around it, but I guess not.
That being said, I’m no fan of Raikkonen myself either. I did support him from 2007-09, that only because he was driving for Ferrari. I am usually attracted to an F1 driver based on how they drive, but Kimi isn’t particularly my favorite in that aspect. I don’t dislike him, I just don’t fancy him either.18th March 2013, 8:53 at 8:53 am #228937HotbottomsParticipant
Seriously, you made a topic about why you dislike Räikkönen? I’m sorry but I think your anti-Räikkönen feelings are getting unhealthy. The funny thing is that you often complain how Kimi fans are irrational and loudy…
About the child case: the woman who hits the child is his/her mother and Räikkönen told her that she should check his kid (and not chase his autograph). It wasn’t the best possible behaviour from Räikkönen, but it is shameful how some people keep twisting this incident like it was some random kid that Kimi hit and then left alone even though the kid’s mother was present and caused the accident in the first place.18th March 2013, 9:21 at 9:21 am #228938tmektParticipant
Like — highlighted, knocking over a small child in the paddock and just walking off as if he couldn’t care less is an awful way for anyone to behave, F1 driver or not. Same with pushing over a photographer on the grid at Silverstone.
He didn’t knock over the child, the child’s own mother did. Kimi pointed it out to her and looked back to make sure that she gave her child the attention needed. With the photograher case I agree. But, I remember hearing that drivers like Senna and Schumacher have actually hit other people because of what happened on track and yet those two are/were maybe the most popular drivers (who obviously have their haters too). I haven’t seen @magnificent-geoffrey or @prisoner-monkeys posting threads about those two.
Perhaps I’m narrow-minded but even though there are driver’s that I irrationally dislike (Alonso, Hamilton etc.) I just don’t feel the need create threads around it and it doesn’t stop me enjoying a race even if one of them wins. I neither back my irrational, emotional opinions about people with false information, rumors or try to suggest that they should be driven out of the sport because I don’t find their personality/behavior good enough for my standards (these are the aspects of the original post that made me think it’s childish)18th March 2013, 12:34 at 12:34 pm #228939MatthijsParticipant
Apart from personal preferences, I find it difficult to judge a driver’s personality in a race. I have been karting myself and I am sure that I have been quite obnoxious to fellow drivers and teammates at some points. On other occasions I am quite easy going (I hope…). Same goes for other sports. A football player will shout to his teammates: “Go there!”, or “Do that!”, rather than “Will you please go there for me?”. It’s just the heat of the game, and that’s what happened between Kimi and his race engineer in Abu Dhabi 2012 I suppose.18th March 2013, 12:59 at 12:59 pm #228940AnonymousInactive
I like Kimi Raikkonen. He gets on with it, and was genuinely happy and thrilled when he won the race yesterday. So he doesn’t massively enjoy talking to reporters or wading through all the PR rubbish, which is fair enough. He’s a racer and wants to race.
As for the race engineer incident in Abu Dhabi, I’d be rather short with a work colleague too if they were looking over my shoulder telling me to do something that I was clearly already doing. Kimi is obviously capable of just getting on with it. Just because we see so much babying of drivers, (naming no names but Massa) who need to be told everything about their race and their driving of the car that it borders on the completely condescending, doesn’t mean that all drivers should have to suffer it.
So yeah, Kimi is fine, and a great ambassador for motor racing and being a motor racing driver.
Some might say this site would be better without you on it PM. You certainly sometimes act like how you appear to view Kimi as acting.18th March 2013, 13:04 at 1:04 pm #228941magon4Participant
Character judgment is always fun to do, but it is neither helpful, nor has it anything to do with the actual sport. In my opinion, it is even good for the sport if some of the drivers polarize public opinion, it adds some nice spice. After all, this is supposed to be entertainment, isn’t it?18th March 2013, 13:37 at 1:37 pm #228943robbiepblakeParticipant
Okay, you don’t like him. That’s fine, but why did you give the race a 1/10? If it was a different driver who won would you have voted it much higher? That’s silly.18th March 2013, 14:03 at 2:03 pm #228944BasCBParticipant
Actually I think its a great idea to create this thread in the FORUM @prisoner-monkeys, certainly the Forum is just the place to discuss why one would or wouldn’t like a certain driver, team, sport etc.
I did mind giving a 1/10 for a race review for the simple reason that Kimi won it, as it seems for be to be a nonsensical way of rating a race just for who got first and ignore that others did some very nice driving in that race too. And even worse it if becomes the focus of discussion in the comments about the race. But on the forum, why not?
Everyone who does feel they have arguments to add to either view, or think there’s no point to having a view, or whatever, that is just great, as it adds to the community that makes this part of F1Fanatic a living social thing.
As for Raikkonen him being a positive for the sport or not. Well, I am not too big a fan of Lotus (or rather Enstone called Lotus) milking the “leave me alone” thing, or the Iceman thing, or those annoying hashtags. But its not much worse than Ferrari keeping up the talk about fighting back from an enormous way back with “gladiator” Alonso, or Red Bull when they keep saying they are not one of the biggest teams out there. That said, all of these things are just distractions of what happens on track and to criticize a driver for what his fans do or not do and say, hm.
With the racing Raikkonen has shown us since his return, I think it would be absurd not to see that as a positive. Just as Sutil showed us something positive in his first race back, and Bianchi showed why it can pay off to take on a talented driver instead of a wallet bearing driver, all of that make it more interesting to watch and that can only be good, can’t it?18th March 2013, 14:20 at 2:20 pm #228945Antonio NarteaParticipant
I won’t jump into any in-depth character analysis here, as for me what a driver does outside the cockpit is not that relevant. However, when it comes to Raikkonen’s attitude towards race engineers and generally the people who he works with, I have to agree with @prisoner-monkeys. His attitude towards Rennie was not a one-off incident and while I agree both probably took it a bit too far, that’s just not how you treat the people you work with. Simple as that. It wasn’t “just Kimi” or something that popped out of his mouth in anger or anything like that. It was simply poor work conduct from a guy that believes he’s got it all covered. And we’ve seen he actually doesn’t in Belgium and Brazil.
And while we’re at it I have to criticise FOM’s decision to broadcast those radio messages as well. They just promoted rude behaviour and turned Raikkonen making a fool out of his race engineer into a cool thing.
Anyway, I don’t know about Dyer, Slade or Rennie, but I would like to see Raikkonen trying to bring that kind of banter to Rob Smedley or Rocky…18th March 2013, 15:38 at 3:38 pm #228946AnonymousInactive
I thought it was pretty sad to hear “watch your language” on the podium after the race, and we all know that is due to Kimi’s Abu Dhabi comments (perhaps with the addition of childish Vettel imitating him). F1 drivers aren’t stupid or immature, and they well acknowledge the fact they are live worldwide; simply, whilst Vettel thought it was allowed or there was nothing wrong with it, Raikkonen did not care at all. This is an example of the behaviour he sometimes shows and which I cannot respect. He is a great driver, but like with his pit crew he should acknowledge that F1 is a team sport and that he has to respect every single team member, instead of being the egoistic whiner he is.18th March 2013, 15:46 at 3:46 pm #228947BendanaramaParticipant
but I would like to see Raikkonen trying to bring that kind of banter to Rob Smedley or Rocky…
And I would love to see the black eye Kimi would be sporting afterwards!18th March 2013, 18:31 at 6:31 pm #228948GirtsParticipant
@prisoner-monkeys I don’t think this topic is unacceptable and should be deleted. However, I believe it’s pretty much pointless. I know your opinion on Raikkonen and the importance of attitude in F1 in general (all the regular F1 Fanatic commenters know it), you have voiced it several times on F1F. And I fully respect it even if my own opinion is a bit different. But I don’t see the need to start a new forum topic to repeat that, particularly as the main focus here is on your dislike for a particular driver. In my opinion, ‘Why I don’t like Vettel’ or ‘Why I like Sutil’ are never good forum threads. The discussion about the importance of drivers’ behaviour off the track might be an interesting talking point but then you should simply have named the forum thread ‘Drivers’ attitude and behaviour’ or something like that and not focus on Raikkonen that much.
As for the attitude, for sure, it is important. I also strongly believe that swearing or being rude do not make one a ‘cool character’ and I think that what drivers say or do off the track often gets overhyped and that most of Raikkonen’s quotes, Vettel’s jokes or pictures of Alonso’s feet on Twitter should simply be treated as nothing special.
But it is also important to separate drivers’ behaviour from their performance on the track when it matters. For instance, the behaviour is an important factor when I decide, which driver I’m going to support. But it doesn’t play any role when I make my half season driver rankings. I think that is the way it should be and that is the way this website is and should be run.19th March 2013, 14:52 at 2:52 pm #228953
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