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Justin.tv usually has a live stream for the races, free of charge. Otherwise Sky Sports broadcast it.
Iowa produces great IndyCar and NASCAR Nationwide Races, its a bit under Underrated compared to Milwaukee, but it’s a great track. Richmond has a good chance of returning in 2013, which is great news. The more flat, short ovals the better. The decline of high banked 1.5 mile ovals has been fantastic – less full throttle racing.
With the downforce of open wheel cars, its flat and short ovals where the drivers have to drive the cars with finesse.
The ironic aspect of some people thinking that the size of the field was too large for a small track, is that a 1.5 mile oval in USA is considered big – one mile or less is considered a short track.
NASCAR runs 43 cars at Bristol and Martinsville which are half mile circuits – and they manage just fine. When IndyCar ran as a unified series in 2008 at Richmond and Milkaewee, both of which are one mile or less in length, there were 26 entries. There were no issues with the size of the field because the drivers properly raced each other in the turns – thus creating separation. It goes back to drivers properly driving the cars with finesse, and there being a limit of cornering speeds, not just steering the car whilst running wide open – the former can realistically only happen on flatter ovals.
I hope that IndyCar’s top brass knew that the size of the field had nothing to do with the accident before the report, it’s incredibly basic and obvious. The accident was a product of what’s happened for years; drivers that cannot get away from each other, running whichever groove they like, with all drivers running full throttle for endless laps.
To me, the bigger issue of ridiculous racing on 1.5/2.0 mile ovals needs to be looked at – it would be too short-sighted to only look the causes of Wheldon’s tragic death. Whether it’s Wheldon’s accident at Vegas or Dario’s flip at Michigan. In general, all 1.5/2.0 mile highly banked ovals are unsuitable; with cars that have virtually limitless levels of grip because of the progressive banking in the corners and cars that don’t have enough horsepower.
I was watching the 2008 Richmond race the other day, the drivers lifted off the throttle for the entry of corners, and would only get back to the throttle of exits of corners. The drivers braked into the corners whilst in traffic too. That’s called real driving, and that kind of oval racing is what IndyCar badly needs. Even with the underpowered IndyCar’s, the turns were tight so drivers had no choice but to back off in the turns.
I really hope that GP2 is shown by Sky Sports with every round live. It would perhaps sweeten the deal for those who are contemplating subscribing to Sky. Sky would then have F1, GP2 and IndyCar all live – a pretty decent line-up of motorsport.
Like others have said, Eurosport’s coverage of GP2 was appalling this year. They even had the nerve to advertise that GP2 was “live all season long”, when barley any of the feature races were broadcasted live.
I seem to remember Detroit producing very messy CART and IndyCar races, should be a laugh though. The addition of Fontana is odd, as IndyCar seemed to move away from 2 mile ovals which are not quite as banked as 1.5 ovals. The thought of Fontana bores me a little; the NASCAR races have been very vanilla over the years. Also, I cannot see how a lap won’t be anything other than totally wide open with the radius of the turns.
I agree with Keith about 1 mile ovals, they produce the best IndyCar oval races imo. On flat 1 mile tracks, the drivers have to blend off the throttle and beat each other into corners, not just drive in whichever groove they feel like to overtake. Milwaukee was just brilliant, along with Richmond, Phoenix and Loudon.
I’m most interested in IndyCar stating that two additional rounds could be a possibility; I wonder what they may be? Really hope those possible rounds are not more road courses; short, flat ovals please!
As soon as the dismal attendance for this year’s race was apparent and no race promoter or sponsor wanted to pay the sanctioning fee.
The race at Texas is going to be a single race, as opposed to that crappy gimmick this year: http://auto-racing.speedtv.com/article/indycar-indycar-set-for-15-race-schedule-in-2012/
It’s interesting to note that an additional race might take place after Fontana, wonder what it might be? I’m really pleased to hear that Phoenix and Richmond may return in 2013, two ovals that are well suited to IndyCar racing. If Randy can add Milwaukee and Road America for 2013 – that would be superb. One can only be optimistic!
I think that’s an okay schedule considering what has happened this year. The Sao Paulo race has been a bit of a disaster on both occasions, with heavy rain stopping both events held there. I always had a strange attraction to the Detroit track, even though it’s too twisty –I guess the low-speed chaos it caused was a laugh.
Really don’t see the point of going to Fontana, it’s flatter than 1.5 mile ovals, but the straights are longer and the radius of the turns aren’t as tight – meaning they’ll probably still be flat out for the whole lap, in whichever racing groove. Fontana is similar to Michigan’s banking and length, and races at the latter were just the same as at other 1.5 mile ovals.
I hope IndyCar decides to use a different configuration at Infineon, the current one has few straights to allow for slipstreaming and out-braking manoeuvres into corners. Not running the final hairpin was a big mistake this year, eliminating about the only decent passing opportunity that exists. I’d try using the NASCAR layout, it’s short but frantic. Road America needs to be on the schedule, it’s a great course for any series.
I’m glad that the Iowa Speedway was retained; it’s the only short oval now.
I see what you mean Keith; the drivers were bunched all over the track, even after seven laps. You don’t usually see that at other 1.5 mile ovals at such an early stage. You know there’s something wrong when a driver can stay pinned to the throttle in the third groove. I don’t wish to sound like a broken record, but if the drivers were forced to lift off the gas in the corners – that wouldn’t even be remotely possible without crashing every time.
The thing about the racing at Vegas though, is that the drivers simply race like that towards the end of 1.5 mile oval races – as opposed to the start. What I’m trying to say, is that it was unusual at how quickly they started to go three wide in the turns – but it merely happened at a different stage of the race. The drivers are not to blame though, as they have no choice but to go flat out all over the track or get run over from behind – it’s the only way to gain position at the end.
The IndyCar racing on 1.5 mile ovals is akin to NASCAR plate racing, where separation is hard to achieve and the drivers stay wide open for the whole lap. Fortunately, they only do that four times a year – IndyCar did that at almost every race in the early years of IRL. More horsepower, less downforce, tyres that degrade more? All I know, is that drivers staying flat out around a whole lap is terrible to watch and is lethal in open wheel cars. Going 220 mph is fine on the straights, but not in the corners whilst flat out.
I don’t doubt that all 1.5 mile ovals have their caveats, Vegas included – but the flat out, side-by-side racing is almost identical at whatever 1.5 mile oval it happens to be – at whatever stage of a race. The race at Fontana is going to be interesting next year, hopefully it won’t be an action reply of the past…
I don’t really agree with Randy Bernard on a particular point. The only difference with the Las Vegas race, and previous other races on 1.5 mile ovals, was that the drivers were going three and even four wide immediately when the green flag fell. Apart from that, Las Vegas was a reply of the wide open and nose-to-tail racing that’s been happening since 1997. It’s no good clutching straws at fencing poles, the fundamentals of flat out, nose-to-tail racing is what needs addressing. Racing is very dangerous, but IndyCar racing on 1.5 mile ovals with the current HP and downforce is an accident waiting to happen – which so many accidents have sadly proved.
I can only imagine, but if you’re running at 220 mph with somebody right in front of you, behind you and beside you – you must have virtually no time to react to a crash. It’s simply ridiculous with open wheel cars.
IndyCar needs to be racing at short, flat ovals like the Milwaukee Mile, New Hampshire Motor Speedway and Richmond. That to me would result in sustainable, safe-ish and exciting IndyCar oval racing. The turns are tight so that the drivers have to blend off the throttle or brake in the corners, making pack racing is impossible. Pack racing is a terrible spectacle as well, it isn’t real racing. The drivers stay pinned to the throttle and get told by spotters where to position their respective cars. Racing at a track like Milwaukee would bring back driver finesse and input of getting off the throttle and braking into corners.
Flatter tracks also provide far less grip than highly banked tracks, meaning drivers cannot maintain speed on a higher line whilst flat out – also eliminating endless side-by-side action.
The main problem is that the outgoing IndyCar wasn’t powerful enough, and had too much downforce in oval configuration – meaning it was pretty easy for them to go flat out. Racing at 1.5 ovals would actually work if the new cars were insanely powerful; I’m talking in the region of 900 HP. But that’s not realistically going to happen, even though turning the wick up on the turbo’s would be pretty easy. By having such powerful cars, it would force the drivers to lift off the throttle or brake for the corners – thus creating separation and genuinely interesting racing at 1.5 mile ovals.But because more powerful cars isn’t going to happen; racing at short, flat ovals is the only way drivers will have to lift off the gas or brake. Indianapolis is the only big oval that currently works because it has flat and tighter corners than Texas, for example. It’s a sad situation for IndyCar, because racing at short, flat ovals is not financially viable without a promoter to pay the sanctioning fee’s – so it’s hard to imagine IndyCar returning to flat ovals any time soon.
