Ferrari has hit back at Niki Lauda’s following his public outburst against the team and its use of team orders at the German Grand Prix – claiming the Austrian has “missed out on a fine opportunity to keep his mouth shut”.
The comments were made on Ferrari’s official website on Friday, in a column entitled ‘Horse Whisperer’.
The Horse Whisperer column states:
After events in Hockenheim, a wave of hypocrisy swept through the paddock, with so many pundits, young and old, keen to have their say: some were promptly brought back into line by his master’s voice, while others continue to pronounce sentence willy-nilly.
The lastest missive comes from Austria, from a person, who having hung up his helmet, has never missed out on a chance to dispense opinions left and right, even if, on more than one occasion, he has had to indulge in some verbal acrobatics to reposition himself in line with the prevailing wind.
This time, good old Niki has missed out on a fine opportunity to keep his mouth shut, given that, when he was a Scuderia driver, the supposed Ferrari driver management policy suited him perfectly” That aside, where was all his moral fury when, over the past years, so many have been guilty of more or less overt hypocritical actions?
Horse Whisperer, Ferrari
The former world champion and Ferrari driver said that he expects the Italian team to be heavily punished by the FIA’s World Motor Sport Council (WMSC) next month for their use of team orders at the German Grand Prix.
“What they did in Hockenheim was against all rules,” Lauda said in an interview with the official Formula 1 website.
“Either the rules are changed or everybody observes them. What they’ve done is wrong and they got an immediate punishment – and they will get a pasting from the World Council, that is for sure.”
Ferrari’s Horse Whisperer has replied, saying: “As for any predictions regarding a possible decision from the FIA World Council on 8 September, time will tell: in this sort of situation, the best policy is to respect and to trust in the highest level of the sport’s governing body.”
kinggp (@kinggp)
20th August 2010, 19:18
ferrari broke the rules, they need punishing, so i agree with lauda
Sush Meerkat
21st August 2010, 11:52
What people seem to forget is that all Ferrari care about is winning at all costs, they are a Formula One team first and foremost, all they want is to win races and Championships and getting the beloved F1 cars screen time.
Juan
23rd August 2010, 1:58
Soo… does that excuse McLaren’s spying or Renault telling Piquet to stuff it into a wall?
Hare
23rd August 2010, 11:29
I agree with that. Not sure what Juan means.
In this case, Ferrari clearly believe they can say what they want, even if it’s thinly veiled in the guise of ‘horse whisperer’.
They believe they are as big as F1. I do actually agree with what they are saying in this case, but good form would be to set an example, not to lambaste and roll around the mire in arrogance.
Personally, I don’t care for Ferrari much, and don’t care if they’re in F1. However, many do, so the ultimately turn out of this affair will be interesting! :)
Will Ferrari be somewhat humbled?
Macca
20th August 2010, 19:39
I’m not sure who wrote that article for Ferrari, but they are absolutely phenomenal writers. The articulation in that piece was great to read, something different to the mundane statements that are posted by everyone, everyday, from teams and media.
Patrickl
20th August 2010, 22:14
Yeah. I hope the WMSC reads it too. Ferrari’s insane arrogance will only help to make sure that they get a stiff penalty.
sato113 (@sato113)
20th August 2010, 23:18
yeah true. can’t imagine mcalren writing something like that. I like ferrari’s honesty!
Maksutov
21st August 2010, 0:39
“I’m not sure who wrote that article for Ferrari”
Montezemolo who else. Sounds like his usually bickering trying to out class his opponents with words, because that is all he can do. He sounds more like a person going through a perimenopausal stage.
What happened in the past is past, back then there were no specific clear rules on team orders, now there is. Although it is still hugely exploited by teams, at least it is not done so in a direct and arrogant manner that completely destroys the very meaning “racing”.
Macca
21st August 2010, 9:30
It’s not bickering, it’s a superbly writen piece that is clearly aimed and written for Ferrari fans.
David BR
21st August 2010, 13:44
Reads to me like someone snarling face down in a bowl of spaghetti and getting rather tangled up in the process (*who* is being hypoctical?!). But maybe that’s just a first impression…
Bartholomew
21st August 2010, 15:51
Ferrari is a great team, but Lou sure can rap after a couple of glasses of wine
Bartholomew
21st August 2010, 13:17
It´s very funny the way they have written it. McLaren and other teams write in a very refined and polite way, but in Ferrari´s case you have Lou diMonty and his speechwriter, and they never dissapoint
LOL
Macca
21st August 2010, 15:14
Thankyou Bartholomew, at least one person agrees with me.
sumedh
21st August 2010, 21:33
Fully agree with you.
The writer is definitely a very witty one. Rare to see such people in the F1 paddock. Webber and Button are pretty witty themselves, but everybody else is boringly diplomatic.
Zahir
20th August 2010, 19:46
Why do Ferrari think the laws have stayed the same from when Lauda was driving? I agree there is hypocracy within the paddock, im sure pretty much every team would have done what Ferrari did but prehaps gone about it much more professionaly.
However to me it sounds like Lauda is speaking as a fan and is just voicing the concerns and anger that the fans have at what took place and what he said does make sense.
Ferrari dont seem to understand that times change and what was deemed acceptable 10 or so years ago isnt acceptable now. They seem to think that the best form of defence is attack, lets hope they loose that attitude for the hearing otherwise they will get a ‘pasting’
David-A (@david-a)
20th August 2010, 20:25
“That is what makes this sport a crowd puller because they see the best guys in the best cars racing each other with a ‘may the best man win’ philosophy – and not mocking the fans with a collusive result.”
– Niki Lauda.
Regardless of what rules were or are in place, team orders, or “collusive results” are not good for the fans, whether you support the team in question or not. The Horse Whisperer merely pointed out that Lauda used to benefit from exactly what he is now criticising.
matt90
20th August 2010, 20:33
Except that in his day it was legal, so I suppose it isn’t exactly the same thing. It may have been morally wrong, but it wasn’t illegal.
Dianna
20th August 2010, 21:42
It’s easy to be an armchair GeneraL once the battles are over!!
PT
22nd August 2010, 6:50
Dianna
That is the best comment ever.
macca77
21st August 2010, 1:35
I think Lauda is wrong about the reasons F1 is a ‘crowd puller’. I watch F1 because of the cars and because I support a driver and in consequence his team (in that order), but I don’t care about the best man winning. That romantic thought has lone gone for me and everybody that follows F1. I know my favorite can’t win if he is not in a good car and also, I kind of know who is gonna win every GP. I watch F1 ’cause the cars are fast and I like to see the race and the things that happens (not only passing, errors, accidents, pits, times, etc), a lot of the time the guys who are winning are boring to watch, I like the other things around it. My point is I don’t like Ferrari but I’m not gonna stop watching F1 because they have applied team orders in such a tasteless and obvious manner during a race, I don’t care about having a ‘collusive result’ as long as they don’t do anything that is against the nature of F1, like making a Virgin win a race.
US_Peter
20th August 2010, 20:29
Let alone 30+ years ago.
That may work on the track, but doesn’t really carry over to PR. Unfortunately they’re in such an isolated little bubble of their own creation that I doubt they’ll ever get a “pasting” as you say.
Zahir
20th August 2010, 22:04
To be honest I agree with you, I think Ferrari will get away with this, probably a suspended fine or suspension. I can’t see too much damaged being done to them.
BasCB (@bascb)
20th August 2010, 19:49
And so we here from the Horse Whisperer again. That was to be expected and most of it is exactly the tone and class we expect from him (nonsense and pretty abusive).
But in Lauda’s case it is very much to the point. Lauda has critisized about anyone anywhere even more than EJ does lately.
jose
20th August 2010, 19:51
The stuff that comes out of ferrari is so surprising to me, is there no PR guy saying keep quiet make the ‘mundane statements’ and keep your heads down? Keep quiet off the track where you have alot to lose, do the fighting on the track.
Obviously its great fun drama to have so thanks ferrari, but its not going to help themm.
US_Peter
20th August 2010, 20:23
You think if a PR guy tried to tell the big boss man to shut his trap, he’d keep his job for long?
Murph
8th September 2010, 22:01
I don’t think Enzo was like that and I get the impression that Ferrari, as a company, don’t care to change the sort of shoot-from-the-hip attitude they have towards PR(for racing).
Ironically, Lauda is known for the same thing – apparently he called the 312T a “piece of ****” but promised to sort it out for Enzo.
Mike
20th August 2010, 21:05
…
Naturally, The horse whisperer would be in the perfect position to remind one when he should shut his trap.
And what is 30 years and several sets of rule changes when vaguely comparing situations which may have been slightly similar when viewed from certain perspectives?
And most importantly, how dare people form their own opinions and wish to express those views via verbal language and in some cases bizarre hand gestures!
How dare they?
…
And I didn’t even mention the word hypocrite.
Steph (@)
20th August 2010, 21:11
It really isn’t classy. It’s slightly abusive and it probably isn’t wise. However, it’s downright hilarious.
Who the heck is this Horse Whisperer? This guy/girl is brilliant! Ferrari remind me of a petulent school kid getting told off from their teacher and goign “shut up, what do you know?”. Finally though from F1 some proper emotions. I don’t agree and it doesn’t do the sport any good for F1’s reputation/image but sometimes I really do like it when people think “sod that” and go for it. So really I’m groaning and thinking oh no but behind my computer I’m chuckling away.
Joey-Poey
20th August 2010, 23:48
I agree that some color is nice for once. All the same, Ferrari in the past year has sounded pretty petulant and whiney if you ask me.
tharris19
20th August 2010, 21:18
Which is more to the point, Lauda’s ranting or Ferrari’s audacity? I think Lauda speaks to the hopes of a lot F1 fans, while Ferrari’s response is consistent with Ferrari and their fans. FIA on the other hand wants this issue to go away.
That means a simple reprimand or some form of a suspended sentence. The results from WMSC meeting in September is not something I intend follow; it will be old news and they will treat it as such.
Wificats
20th August 2010, 22:03
From a quick review of Lauda’s past career, I don’t see him benefitting much from team orders, he and his teammates seldom finished in consecutive positions whilst driving for the Scuderia and when driving for Mclaren he had to race Prost down to the wire.
I think the biggest difference between now and the past when it comes to team orders, is reliability. In the past, every result had to count, because just finishing was far from guaranteed, and so it was often run on contracts where there was definite “second driver” It would be in their contract to do so and no one complained, because it was pretty much a necessity. Only when machinery was fast and reliable enough were team mates allowed to race. Today, with supposedly two equal drivers in reliable machinery, the oproar is decidedly bigger when team orders are used, particularly as we can now hear the radio messages being sent out.
Hardly surprising to see them attacking Lauda though, they’ve got to do something to keep the criticism at bay until the WMSC ruling.
slr
20th August 2010, 22:04
In my opinion, Lauda should have kept his mouth shut. This situation doesn’t concern him. Though I also believe that Ferrari should have just ignored Lauda. He rarely makes sense anyway.
tisabmw
21st August 2010, 2:12
You must be from a country where one can’t voice his or her opinion. This situation concerns anyone fond of F1 “racing” and Herr Lauda should if anyone have the right to say whatever he pleases. Frankly he is 100% correct in his assessment of the situation. The punishment should be less than Renault’s though.
slr
21st August 2010, 12:08
Nope, I live in England. It’s just how I look at this situation. Lauda is a three time champion, and still doesn’t seem happy with life. He is always speaking negatively about F1.
bosyber
23rd August 2010, 12:09
But that is also because he is a regular on the German RTL F1 coverage, is always asked about things, thus needs to put in an opinion, and well, he has had to do a lot of talk about Vettel vs. Webber, and Schumacher already – he can be a bit grumpy after that. I often think he should not say so much, but here he did make sense, actually.
The horse whisperer is brilliant, hilarious, and ridiculous at the same time. It is entertaining, but at the same time, the language, FUD, and ranting is grating, and a turn-off with respect to Ferrari. But I guess I’m not really a fan of theirs right now, so what do I know.
rampante (@rampante)
20th August 2010, 22:21
I am a 100% Ferrari fan of many years and while I understand the dislike for the team I love their ability to say what they mean without corporate bull. Lauda is an idiot,and has been for many years. It is very hard to find a 3 times WDC who has as low a credit rating as him. He has moaned for 40 plus years and those of us old enough have had enough of it. If someone has something to say fine but in all that time there must have been one subject he might have agreed on. Ferrari handled the race badly and will suffer as a result. Lauda and his middle aged chip on his shoulder should give up.
BasCB
21st August 2010, 16:18
Your right about Lauda. A couple of years back i used to watch F1 on German RTL and they had Lauda commenting.
Not sure he did ever say much positive about anyone. He critisized just about every driver and team for what they did or did not do.
This Horse Wisperer is a “comic relieve” and brings something to discuss for us. But not really to my taste, especially with the rants on the new teams.
Stathis
20th August 2010, 22:37
After all thats said and done. Its nice to see that some of you are smart enough to realise that whatever the opinions are or the outcome of this scenario is, its not Alonso that is to blame, but the way Ferrari operate.
Put yourself in Alonsos’ shoes. What would you have done ? What if he went against Ferraris policy ? Went ahead and tried to overtake Massa without their permission and wiped them both out ? He is ‘paid’ to drive by Ferrari, not by the FIA or the circus that is the media.
I personally would have loved to see a fight. But its easy to judge when your the guy sitting on the couch watching the race and not in the pressure cooker situation of actually driving the car.
Its easy to sit back and say ‘look how Senna drove’. All or nothing style. But its different these days. The FIA has much harsher penalties these days which the drivers and teams have to deal with.
I personally think Ferrari will be punished heavily. And I can just see the punishment being heavy enough to thwart Alonsos chances of winning a title.
But thats just the way it goes. Regardless of the outcome, im behind Alonso all the way.
King Rossi
20th August 2010, 23:42
Ferrari should have responded lot earlier and point out every time a team order has occurred in different races and in different seasons even after 2002.
Ferrari definitely followed ‘the best man should win the race’ and it was Alonso who was better that day.
It would have been illogical if Ferrari ordered Massa to step aside right at the first stint. Ferrari gave him every chance to pull away from Alonso, but he could not. So Ferrari had to choose the best man to win the race.
Joey-Poey
20th August 2010, 23:50
Hrm, funny, I thought the best race car driver should be able to pass of his own accord. Guess we should switch this to everyone running individually against their own clock and determine the winner by that so we don’t have silly things like other drivers blocking their way, eh?
Pan151
21st August 2010, 13:43
Well, Alonso probably could. And I do think they may not have given the order if it wasn’t for Vettel fastly approaching the two Ferraris. They had to at least ensure first position, and at the moment Massa did not have the pace to pull away from Vettel, so…
But, had they let the two of them fight it out, it could have ended badly for both. We’ve seen what happened when the two Red Bulls decided to have a fair fight a few races ago.
And it’s not like team orders have stopped existing anyway. Who cannot see that EVERY team gives team orders in almost EVERY race they come in handy?
Charles Carroll
20th August 2010, 23:49
Shouldn’t Ferrari be keeping its mouth shut while finishing plans for an all Ferrari Formula One league?
Er, shouldn’t that be “Ferrari One” league?
Prisoner Monkeys (@prisoner-monkeys)
20th August 2010, 23:50
How typical. Ferrari have free reign to criticise anyone and everyone who doesn’t do as they’d like – the new teams, the FIA, Hamilton – but as soon as someone else attacks them, they simply insult and demean them. Even if they’re a former driver.
US_Peter
21st August 2010, 0:44
Would you expect any less from the Clown Whisperer?
Prisoner Monkeys (@prisoner-monkeys)
21st August 2010, 2:57
Ferrari’s arrogance just rankles me. They’re not Ferrari anymore – they’re just a soulless automaton that is only concerned with winning, whatever the cost.
I hope the WMSC burns them just to make an example of them.
YH
21st August 2010, 16:38
you don’t have to read it if you don’t like what they have to say. i’m sure enzo is perfectly happy, he was no angel.
David BR
21st August 2010, 17:24
No, you don’t have to read it and one paragraph was enough to get the general aimless, self-justifying drift of the whole. However it does give a good insight into how the Ferrari team currently ‘thinks’ and operates.
I read this and think Ferrari are more likely to get punished by the FIA hearing, not less. Entertaining to the converted, maybe, but a dumb line of defence.
Chippie
21st August 2010, 0:10
Keith, a more appropriate quote from Lauda would have been the point he made that “the fans don’t want a collusive result” and want to see the “best man win”. I don’t think The Horse Whisperer is criticising Lauda for suggesting Ferrari broke the rules, but rather that: “when he was a Scuderia driver, the supposed Ferrari driver management policy suited him perfectly…”
David-A (@david-a)
21st August 2010, 1:29
You mean Cari Jones ;)
Prisoner Monkeys (@prisoner-monkeys)
21st August 2010, 10:36
If that’s what they meant, that’s what they would have said.
Cari Jones (@cari-jones)
21st August 2010, 10:41
I disagree and that’s why I’ve included the full text.
Alex Bkk
21st August 2010, 1:46
I think that Ferrari’s response to Lauda’s comments was fair enough. How’s Lauda to know what the WMSC decision will be?
Cynical
21st August 2010, 2:12
Hmm.. A fine piece of writing dosen’t excuse the facts . Drive within the rules. Ferrari have a history of trying to manipulate things to their advantage. Yes,Lauda should not be so vocal by he was playing within the rules or was it Ferraris rules? They neglected to say. ” When a house is divided it cannot stand”
So many what Ifs exist in F1 you can only look at the rules of the time as a benchmark whether you like em or not.
andrewf1
21st August 2010, 3:20
Ferrari were caught breaking a rule. They plead innocence based on the sole fact that ‘others give team orders too’.
Well, i’m sorry, but i’ve yet to see a thief being caught in the middle of a crime and then pleading to be left alone, because “hey, others do it too”.
It puzzles me how they can use that as an argument. It really is one hell of an arrogance (just like their lead driver)
bosyber
23rd August 2010, 12:21
I find it a rather bad defense: they didn’t protest it then, why bring it up now, especially if you believe it is no problem. But people did complain with several incidents, at least most of those that I have heard pulled out, eh, pointed out. And rather loudly. But now we also have the radio communications, and that makes it more transparent for the viewer, so it is easy to understand that the rules on team-orders have to be obeyed more stringently. Just reality.
chemakal
24th August 2010, 14:25
Ferrari was not caught, Massa and his engineer made it obvious to the world. Obvious is also the fact that team orders exist in all teams. So what are we judging here? Should the teams get punished only if the orders are blatant? Has Ferrari no right to defend themselves when team orders are the norm in F1?
Besides, the excellent Ferrari’s response to Lauda is more than deserved as Lauda is trying to influence the WMSC’s decission, this is arrogance and hypocrisy
wasiF1 (@wasif1)
21st August 2010, 3:22
Ferrari can shout all day but it won’t change what they did. I hope they are punished well so that this type of things never happens in the future where in the middle of the season one driver is favoured over the other, & robbed someone’s victory.
Slim
21st August 2010, 5:58
I dont care anymore about the Team orders… It was really upsetting to me but im getting over it… does anybody else agree that we need to move on? Id also like it if Lauda would stop talking for a while because he tends to be annoying
Ozzy
21st August 2010, 8:07
Old niki, for sure he doesn’t remember in 1977 when his new team mate Carlos Reutemann beat him fair and square in the first two races (Argentina and Brasil). What did Niki do? before the South African grand prix in Kyalami he went and spoke to Ferrari management to get the whole team behind him.
bosyber
23rd August 2010, 12:24
But those were different times, and essentially: before 2002. Arguing that the rules should be changed is one thing – just not obeying them could be called “civil disobedience” but it rarely goes unpunished – and those that commit it also usually agree that they are braking that low, but they are making a point. Not this Horse Whining stuff.
paul sainsbury
21st August 2010, 8:17
The fact that he was a consistently better driver didn’t hurt either, but you are totally missing the point-back then it was legal, now it is illegal. So Ferrari bringing up the 70’s is a total irrelevance.
Stepney
21st August 2010, 8:41
Some good posts about this,i personally found the article funny even if slightly abrasive,yet understandable given the amount criticism Ferrari have recieved.
Unfortunately the execution of team orders and how Massa made the move so very obvious for everyone to see,has given Ferrari good media coverage but for all the wrong reasons. No one wants racing to be fixed.
Whilst i go along with that view, i also accept it probably has never stopped even when the rules were changed,from any team.
If the WMSC are set an example Ferrari could be severely punished and team orders will still be forbidden,or will this rule cease to exist and Ferrari along with every other team continue knowing team orders can be used,openly, without fear of public castigation.
P5ycH0
21st August 2010, 9:57
Ferrari broke the rules AND LIED about it. Punish them as hard as McLaren or just hand them the victory cup so there is no doubt regarding know Ferrari-International-Assistance
David A
21st August 2010, 15:59
“Punish them as hard as McLaren”
Ferrari hardly stole anything from another team did they?
Manu
21st August 2010, 16:39
The fact that some people go as far as to compare Spygate with what happened in Germany is beyond me.
bosyber
23rd August 2010, 12:27
But McLaren were punished so harshly because “they lied about it” – at least, that was the official thing. Same with Australia 2009. So, even if you consider FIA are unMaxed and thus supposedly reasonable, some consistency might be appropriate?
Pigeon
21st August 2010, 14:21
I’m more amused, than anything, by Ferrari’s rantings. The team has sounded pretty deranged all year. Their tactics have been deranged. The body language and radio transmissions of Alonso have been deranged. It’s like a huge crazy pantomime, but instead of pantomime dames they’re more like schoolgirls dressed up as an F1 team.
It’s hugely entertaining, as long as they don’t benefit from it. I hope the FIA dock their WDC and WCC points from Hockenheim, at a minimum, otherwise F1 will never be taken seriously again. Maybe a season’s ban would send a strong enough message to all the F1 teams that the fans don’t like being made fools of. The return next season of a more humble, dedicated, professional Ferrari team would be an enormous asset to F1.
John H
21st August 2010, 15:53
Ferrari do not seem to understand that ignoring Lauda would be a much better response than criticising him.
Ferrari should learn when not to take the bait.
theRoswellite
22nd August 2010, 5:20
Ferrari broke the rules, the rules by which all the contestants agree to abide. Without rules, and rule compliance, you have chaos…and chaos isn’t much fun to watch.
I’m looking forward to putting this issue behind us
Keith Collantine
22nd August 2010, 5:29
Funnily enough I brought a copy of “For the record” – Lauda’s autobiography which concentrates on his four years with Ferrari from 1974-7 – on holiday with me. And its true that Lauda did benefit from preferential treatment within the team.
But it cut both ways – at the start of 1977, perhaps not believing Lauda was back to full health, the impetus in the team was more strongly behind his new team mate Carlos Reutemann.
Of course, this account comes with the standard disclaimer that it is entirely from Lauda’s point of view. Still it seems credible and if you see a copy of the book I recommend picking it up.
And, as other people here have pointed out, team orders were legal back then, so Ferrari’s complaints about “hypocrisy” are not only mistaken, but tantamount to an admission that they did use team orders and therefore broke article 39.1 in Germany.
BasCB
22nd August 2010, 16:48
Hi Keith, nice thought on this subject. To me it seems, Ferrari will have a though job to “prove their innocence”, maybe they will just try to attack the fact that TO are illegal and other teams probably used them in the past at the hearing
Even so, I think Lauda should speak less about F1 (heard to much of him critisizing everyone in the last 8 years).
BasCB
22nd August 2010, 16:48
Oh and are the both of you enjoying yourself without moderating the blog every day?
John H
22nd August 2010, 17:36
Ferrari have missed out on a fine opportunity to keep their mouth shut
Scary Terry (@hatebreeder)
22nd August 2010, 19:52
It still makes me wonder, what the heck was ferrari thinking. I mean anyone wudve come up with a better line than that! At least say something like, the weather is fine today. :-P
demos12
22nd August 2010, 20:06
I think ferrari are the stupid ones here. In the interviews after the german gp, they all said that the drivers should act in the interest of the team. Big point? that the team had a 1-2, and according to the team bosses, it doesn’t matter which way the drivers are. Ferrari had a 1-2, then they were stupid, then they insulted our intelligence. now they should face concequences
The Limit
23rd August 2010, 5:35
Ferrari were wrong in what they did in Germany, and verbally bashing a driver that helped win them championships years ago only adds more fuel to the fire and vindicates those who dislike them.
These comments remind me of Max Mosley calling Jackie Stewart ‘a certified halfwit’ a few seasons ago, totally pointless and unprofessional. They serve no purpose at all and are hollow, spite ridden words. If Ferrari are that fixated on Niki Lauda, I hope they will be equally fixated on beating McLaren and Red Bull this coming weekend.
The events of Hockenheim 2010 will always be remembered in a negative way as far as Ferrari are concerned, and that is regrettable for a team as highly regarded as they are. I don’t buy the argument that banning team orders is a rule impossible to police, if the powers at be want to police it ofcourse. Match fixing is match fixing no matter what spin one puts on it, and just because it happened ten or twenty years ago does not justify it now! No other sport would, or should tolerate this sort of behaviour as we have seen from Ferrari, and other teams to be fair, over the years.
If F1 is to break into new ground and attract new fans, it has to be run impartially by the FIA with a set number of rules that are not changed willy nilly every five minutes to suit certain people within the sport. We have to maintain some kind of credibility.
John H
23rd August 2010, 10:04
“No other sport would, or should tolerate this sort of behaviour as we have seen from Ferrari, and other teams to be fair, over the years.”
Ah, but that’s what makes F1 so unique. It is both a team AND an individual sport.
There is _no way_ of making team orders a black and white issue, and hence the rule should be abolished if we want to maintain credibility by having enforceable sporting rules.
chemakal
24th August 2010, 14:43
May I remind you that Lauda was the first to speak and Ferrari has responded. Moreover, Lauda is trying with is words to influence the WMSC’s decission. Has Ferrari no right to defend themselves when team orders are the norm in F1?
I know Lauda might have not a huge influence on the WMSC but yes on public opinion generating debates like this one. And the F1 is based on image as it’s funded by publicity, so the media inlfuence is huge. Obviously, the british media is always keen on publishing big anything against Alonso/ Ferrari and they warmly welcome Lauda’s words.
chemakal
24th August 2010, 14:58
Same as British media kindly hides actions of their british drivers that should be punished much harder because of security reasons; no media pressure, no punishment as a result. You want examples? Yes, Hamilton and lets stick in 2.010: Racing twice in the pits lane (Vettel and Alonso), 4 times direction changed when Petrov was trying to overtake, safety car in Valencia (incredible!), no petrol finsishing in pole position with a monetary sanction. This viedo includes this and some of other years. (where does Whiting come from???)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwm4iqWS8v0&feature=fvw
chemakal
24th August 2010, 15:04
Did Ferrari put in danger any driver with their team orders? Did they influence the score of any drivers other than those of Ferrari? Going back to Hockenheim 08, Kov letting pass Hamilton did influence the rest of the race. If Kon would have resisted longer, Ham could not have catched up with Massa and Piquet.
MinusTwo
24th August 2010, 15:33
Anybody else think that Ferrari sounds slightly xenophobic when they make these statements?
Every time they bad mouth somebody they have to refer to where the person is from. Why in the world is it relevant that “this time it comes from Austria.” Remember when they called Stephan GP “Serbian Vultures”??
DaveW
24th August 2010, 15:57
That is some bona fide crazy-talk. I am now expecting Luca to conclude the hearing by attacking an official with a folding chair and shouting a proposal for a live cage-match into a TV camera.
F1 does need more non-corporate-speak—I miss people like Stoddart and Jordan who spoke their mind and seemed to actually enjoy their work, but that is different from the attitude shown in the recent spate of belligerent and petty eruptions from Ferrari. Whether its about how they hate the small teams or some injustice by the stewards, it’s all bile all the time.
Now that RBR has lost its fun edge, and McLaren losing Dennis’s brooding verve, Briatore and his retinue of supermodels gone, F1 has become very dour and without interesting personality—and its prevailing tone is thus becoming this negativity.