Ericsson, last on grid, gets five-place penalty

20 comments on “Ericsson, last on grid, gets five-place penalty”

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   Osella-AlfaRomeo (@osella-alfaromeo)
   14th April 2018, 9:37

   That’ll teach him, ouch!
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   Ben Rowe (@thegianthogweed)
   14th April 2018, 9:42

   If this was the yellow flags from his team mates spin, then it will have ruined his lap just as much had he backed off instead. As he didn’t manage to improve on his 2nd run. But you should never ignore yellow flags. I would have thought he will get penalty points for this.
   1. 

      Phylyp (@phylyp)
      14th April 2018, 9:45

      I would have thought he will get penalty points for this.

      Good point, @thegianthogweed
      1. 

         Ben Rowe (@thegianthogweed)
         14th April 2018, 9:47

         The main reason why I think this is that I’m pretty sure all other drivers have got these when ignoring yellows even in practice. But given his performance last weekend, I don’t think we should be too harsh on him making an error. He should be able to gain some places tomorrow.
      2. 

         erikje
         14th April 2018, 12:41

         He was also given three penalty points on his driving licence.
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            Ben Rowe (@thegianthogweed)
            14th April 2018, 14:33

            I could be mistaken, but I didn’t think that was there when I replied. As the article did say it would be updated.
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      nase
      14th April 2018, 17:35

      @thegianthogweed

      If this was the yellow flags from his team mates spin, then it will have ruined his lap just as much had he backed off instead.

      Just a question, what’s the connection between these two things? The yellow flags were indeed caused by Leclerc, or so it seems, but I don’t see what that has to do with the rest of the sentence.
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         Ben Rowe (@thegianthogweed)
         14th April 2018, 22:58

         You are correct that what I put here doesn’t really make much sense. I think I was just trying to say that if he did lift off fully, that will have ruined his lap just as much as ignoring the rules and getting a much faster time as he would get a penalty.
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   Jere (@jerejj)
   14th April 2018, 9:44

   Why double yellows when there wasn’t any marshal on the track nor any car stationary immediately after the corner as the spin happened quite a bit after the final corner, so a single-yellow should’ve been enough, but nevertheless, if a driver doesn’t heed for the yellows at all then it’s entirely irrelevant whether it’s a single or double, i.e., some sort of penalty is always necessary if a driver doesn’t slow down at all in the mini-sector where the yellows are active regardless of whether it’s a single or double.
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   Sundar Srinivas Harish (@sundark)
   14th April 2018, 12:48

   Here’s a Bernie idea: the penalties should accrue for the following races. For instance, if a driver qualifies 18th and gets a 5 place penalty, he gets 2 places in this race, and 3 places in the next race. This would make penalties meaningful again! I imagine the RBR and TRH drivers would probably accrue enough penalties until the next season.
   1. 

      James Brickles (@brickles)
      14th April 2018, 12:56

      It’s one of those ideas that on initial thinking, doesn’t sound too bad, but you then realise just how unfair it is for the driver to already be penalised for the next race.
   2. 

      nase
      14th April 2018, 17:31

      @sundark
      F1 used to have such a system just a few years ago, but it was scrapped due to the fans’ constant moaning.
   3. 

      Nitzo (@webtel)
      14th April 2018, 17:48

      @sundark

      Let us go back in time with your idea to the days when Jenson and Fernando earned some 50 place grid penalties. !!
      That would have sabotaged their entire season. I think this idea was doing the rounds a few years earlier but the penalty system wasn’t as sensible as it is in 2018 and hence chucked.
      1. 

         nase
         14th April 2018, 18:04

         @webtel
         It didn’t just make the rounds, it was actually in vigour for a short time, but limited to the round following the round the penalty was given in. I think it was abolished after 2014 (so I guess it was used in 2013/2014), and replaced by a system where penalties exceeding the grid size were converted into time penalties for the race (I think the rule was: 1-5 places = 5 seconds at the first pit stop; 6-10 places = 10 seconds; 11-15 = drive-through in the first 3 laps; more than that = 10 seconds stop-and-go in the first 3 laps of the race). This system was scrapped during the course of the 2015 season, as it caused an uproar among McLaren’s fans, as the Woking outfit, with their ridiculous engine component usage, were hit with such a penalty almost every other race. This change led to (more or less) the current system, where engine component changes are inconsequential if you qualify at the back of the grid.
         1. 

            Nitzo (@webtel)
            14th April 2018, 18:15

            @nase

            I remember those time penalties for untaken grid penalty positions, which was later scrapped as you mentioned.
            But prior to that, were they carried over to the next race ? are you sure ?
            1. 

               Michael Brown (@)
               14th April 2018, 21:41

               @webtel As far as I am aware, this never happened
            2. 

               nase
               14th April 2018, 21:45

               @webtel
               Yes, absolutely. I did a bit of research, and it seems that carrying over penalties to the next round only took place in 2014.
               Here’s what wikipedia has to say on the 2014 season:

               In the event that such a penalty relegated a driver past the back row of the grid, the remaining penalty carried over to the next race. For example, if a driver qualified in nineteenth position and received a five-place grid penalty, they dropped to twenty-second and last place for that race, and then would receive an additional two-place penalty in the next Grand Prix. These penalties could only be carried over to the next race, rather than accumulate, and only applied to penalties issued for going over the component quota. Penalties cannot be carried over from season to season; when a driver incurred such a penalty during the final race of the season, the stewards had the power to issue time penalties during the race.

               Here’s an article from racefans.net (or f1fanatic.co.uk, as it was called back then) that marks the transition between the carry-over system and the time penalty system (the comments are especially telling).
               And here’s another blogger’s take on the 2014 regulations:

               Having a blown Power Unit, is going to be an expensive proposition. You only get 5 of them for the season, and if you have to use an entirely new 6th Power Unit, you will start from the pit lane. Using a 6th element on a Power Unit that has 5th or less elements on it results in a 10 spot grid penalty. Interestingly, these penalties carry over to (only) the next race. So if you have a poor qualifying, say P18, and then need to use your 6th Turbocharger, you’ll start this race in P22 and carry over the other 6 spot penalty to the next race.

               I would’ve quoted directly from the 2014 sporting regulations, but I couldn’t find the document anymore.
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               nase
               14th April 2018, 21:46

               @mbr-9
               Gosh, thanks for your insightful comment …
         2. 

            Sundar Srinivas Harish (@sundark)
            15th April 2018, 3:29

            Ah, yes, that was probably at the back of my mind.
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         Sundar Srinivas Harish (@sundark)
         15th April 2018, 3:33

         @webtel That’s why its a Bernie idea. He probably drinks unfair brand lager and eats sabotage brand chips every evening.

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