McLaren pair run different aerodynamics as Sainz has cooling problem

19 comments on “McLaren pair run different aerodynamics as Sainz has cooling problem”

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   DAllein (@)
   9th August 2020, 0:18

   A-ha-ha-ha, guys which have been banned for crashing into someone (previously) are so funny sometimes when they threaten to do that again!
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   socksolid (@socksolid)
   9th August 2020, 1:26

   Lance doesn’t really have that much talent. What he has is a lot of practice (read: money). In these times where new drivers come to f1 with relatively small amounts of seat time stroll has also done as much f1 driving with older cars as possible. Before his f1 career and then during his stint at williams and later with rp. On tracks you don’t even normally test. Imagine spending 20 millions to do just 8 practice sessions just to learn tracks. If that is not an advantage then I don’t know what is. And he has still lost to almost every team mate he has had.
   https://www.news.com.au/sport/motorsport/formula-one/f1-young-gun-lance-stroll-under-pressure-to-deliver/news-story/4c0637e92aef08db70f1fda538a78802

   I just find it baffling that there are people who think lance is in f1 because of any other reason than his daddy buying him an f3 team and then pouring millions into f3 aero program (f3 aero program!!!), then buying him an expensive williams testing program, pay williams to change their f1 simulator into f3 simulator, then buy f1 seat + more f1 testing and then finally buying him an f1 team. Without his billions his career would have ended before f3 and racing point would be called something in russian instead. And williams would have run some other pay driver instead.
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      Tristan (@skipgamer)
      9th August 2020, 6:08

      I don’t disagree, but linking a news.com.au article that’s quoting planetf1 is just hilarious. Couldn’t be two more unreliable sources for information (well there could, but these two are pretty down there.)
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         Rhys Lloyd (@justrhysism)
         9th August 2020, 9:59

         @skipgamer hahaha nailed it. Yeah I don’t think @socksolid needed sources to back up his comments on this one. Let alone such unreliable sources.
      2. 

         Rhys Lloyd (@justrhysism)
         9th August 2020, 9:59

         @socksolid to be clear, we totally agree with you.
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         socksolid (@socksolid)
         9th August 2020, 10:34

         I could post links from autoweek, roadandtrack, automotorundsport and other smaller sites that say the same thing but that post is not getting through the spam filter so I can’t post those links. Just google stroll spends * millions… @skipgamer
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            erikje
            9th August 2020, 11:14

            @socksolid, and in the case of Stroll ( from the vision of his dad) well spend.
            He is improving a lot and learns from his experienced teammates. His starting is above average and his rain skills to.
            So all in all a mediocre racer who under performs his car.
            But looking at his learning curve there is still a lot to compensate by lack of talent. Not sure if its really possible to make him one of the pack-leaders i guess.
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   Duncan Idaho (@didaho)
   9th August 2020, 2:57

   That’s all true, at least as far as I know (other than intimating that most people don’t know most of the story). I’m not a Stroll fan but given he doesn’t exhibit natural talent – fast reflexes, hand-eye coordination & whatever other physical attributes separate good F1 drivers from poor or even ordinary – and that he wasn’t given instruction from the best sources from an early age (thinking of Max or Rosberg’s upbringing and Stroll’s technique yr 1 at Williams).
   Also consider that Hulkenberg is vastly experienced, has always been a very good driver (often named a candidate for top seats), is still in his prime and is literally driving for his career. Couldn’t get a good enough lap in last week when it counted (yes he had an underdone neck).
   Also think if you added up Lewis’ internship at Mclaren it would come to a tidy sum – Dennis would say it was money well spent (mostly for Mercedes as it turns out), doubt Papa Stroll would say different.
   I haven’t taken that much notice of him in races generally (other than the Baku podium and his struggle to pass Ric in Austria) but have noted/been surprised by his ability to consistently/cleanly pass cars on the first lap.
4. 

   Chaitanya
   9th August 2020, 5:13

   Ticktum is a great example of following senior F1 drivers(Schumacher and Vettel) who like to hit their on track rivals on purpose and get away with it. Yesterday that threat of hitting rival on purpose should have been taken seriously by stewards since there already is a history of this person indulging such dirty tactics.
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   Tristan (@skipgamer)
   9th August 2020, 6:17

   I know all eyes are on Hulk, but Ricciardo bringing the Renault to within 2 tenths is amazing to me. RP race pace hasn’t been amazing compared to qually so here’s to hoping 🤞

   Also hoping to see a proper battle between him and Max without the Red Bull interference. I have a feeling if the Renault has the pace and they end up side by side at any point, then they both won’t be driving out of the next corner.
   1. 

      Mog
      9th August 2020, 6:39

      Agreed.

      Ricciardo impressed, showed he has still got it. But i fear the RB may be a better car for the race. Hope its a close battle but clean!
   2. 

      Balue (@balue)
      9th August 2020, 9:13

      @skipgamer +1. I bet this got Alonso’s butterflies up.
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      Nick T.
      9th August 2020, 9:52

      This is a good example of Perez’s below average qualifying abilities on the current tire generation and Stroll benefiting from that so he doesn’t look so far off the pace on raw speed compared. Perez is a hell of a racer and a Jedi tire manager (IMO the most important skill for a modern driver…Lewis has always been a master in that area) but apparently his quali setup is geared toward the race according to AG/OS, but I think they’re just being kind as we’ve heard, modern F1 cars don’t really have different setups beyond finding what configuration suits the track and whether or not to trim the rear wing for more passing potential. I’m guessing he must have a problem ringing out the car on these tires within whatever operating window they do best at. Because, if I recall, he was a pretty solid qualifier at Sauber and he was always close to Ocon who appears to be a good qualifier.
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   Balue (@balue)
   9th August 2020, 9:11

   Disagree on Stroll. He’s young and compared to Hulkenberg has still a lot to learn about setup and maximizing everything. I know people need a ‘whipping boy’ and Grosjean hasn’t really been the ideal candidate after Maldonado, but Stroll is no worse than several others in F1. The gaps between drivers are the same or worse.
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   Nick T.
   9th August 2020, 9:43

   I always laugh when any pro motorsport series claims to have the “most talented drivers in the world.” Let’s be serious, the pool of human talent with the money to even enter at the karting level is laughably small. We’re talking about .000000000000001% of any given population getting to even start at the bottom of the ladder vs as much 25-50% of the population getting a chance to show their talent in competitive ball based leagues in some places. And of that of ludicrously small number, cut that by another what 80% of those who get the chance to compete in a junior formula series. If F1 wanted to ensure they have some of fan base in the future and promote exciting talent, they’d create a non-profit spec kart series in Europe, Asia and the Americas for
   -7-9 yo with a durable, sealed engine kart priced at $2,500 (don’t laugh, a basic kart is $10 worth of steel, a four cycle that could be made for under $500 in China) that lasts a season
   -a second step with a $5,000 spec kart with more power and setup adjustability for 10-13 yo
   -and finally a junior formula series for 14-17 yo with a $25,000 250hp (that unit budget is almost entirely for safety)

   Still prices out people who aren’t middle class (and very motivated), but would expand the pool by 20,000x people. Any kids who win these series (or place) on a national or regional (for large countries) level would be almost guaranteed to have what it takes from there.

   ….more importantly, you’d generate a hugely devoted fan base at the cost of the annual attorney fees racked up by protests and appeals in F1. F1 and Motorsports generally will die if they don’t do this. Kids aren’t even bothering to get their licenses these days let alone hot rodding (what can u hot rod these days…basically only things with a turbo and that’ll be mostly for rich kids).
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      Rhys Lloyd (@justrhysism)
      9th August 2020, 10:12

      Yep this is absolutely why I didn’t make it to pro levels… always felt like I’d be an incredible driver, but never had any money.

      Of course I could actually be pretty average too… but I guess we’ll never know :(.
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         Rhys Lloyd (@justrhysism)
         9th August 2020, 10:15

         When I go out go-karting socially (which is once every 2-3 years… because life), I often set the fastest lap despite usually being a good 20-30 kgs heavier (I weigh in at about 100 kgs these days). Maybe it’s talent, maybe the competition is just really, really ordinary. We’ll never know!
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            Nick T.
            9th August 2020, 11:30

            I’ve raced since 19. Mainly touring cars, but a decent bit of karting too. To beat people while weighing 100kg more is impressive, unless they were geriatrics and toddlers. lol. I wouldn’t doubt you would have had the talent to make it to an upper formula and be competitive on occasion if a) you find you take naturally to most types of vehicles b) fear is not your instinctual reaction when you feel your car beginning to slide c) you find sharp changes in direction of physically enjoyable (the list goes on but there are many commonalities among people with a predisposition for speed). Back to the topic at hand. I am part of a fairly large team that races vintage 2002s. I’ve done a lot of racing instructions and people usually fall into these categories
            a) immediately identifiable as a lost cause. every instinct they have is wrong and they can’t even get their mind to reliably override instinct and execute simple actions they intellectually know to be correct.

            b) average folks who, given great amounts of seat time and training, could routinely compete with actually talented type c folks with less seat time

            c) good natural instincts, talent and non-risk averse that could quite easily come up to speed and beat experienced drivers

            d) fast right out of the box with a natural touch and it secretly angers you that they’re so good. I’ve seen maybe 3 of those over the years. I’m a c
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   Jb
   9th August 2020, 9:56

   I’m sorry is there a point in there?

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