Piastri missing out on 2023 F1 seat would be an “injustice” – Ilott

19 comments on “Piastri missing out on 2023 F1 seat would be an “injustice” – Ilott”

1. 

   Aussie Rod (@aussierod)
   20th January 2022, 0:32

   I agree with COTD, it sounds interesting and should not be overly complex in practice. Looking forward to seeing how it pans out.

   A one-on-one ‘duel’ format with progressive finals through to a final two drivers is something that F1 should consider for Monaco. That’s the one circuit where qualifying could be staged as an outlier and go radical.
2. 

   PeterG
   20th January 2022, 1:31

   The new Formula E qualifying system sounds very similar to what Superleague Formula used to do and that was awful.

   To me it just sounds overly complex & convoluted.

   You shouldn’t need to read something a few times to be able to understand a qualifying format & if someone like me who’s been watching for a few decades and is fairly knowledgeable about things like this s finding it a bit confusing how are the newer, more casual viewers meant to follow it?

   The old Format was awful, This just sounds bad in a different way due to how complex it seems.

   Formula E needs to attract viewers because it needs to start to grow. Potentially confusing & turning people off due to them not getting the qualifying format isn’t going to help them.
   1. 

      jff
      20th January 2022, 8:52

      To me it just sounds overly complex & convoluted.

      I only read it now and it seems very simple to me.
      It’s the same as many other sports; starting with a group stage and then a head-to-head finals stage.

      But maybe I totally misunderstood it and it IS indeed ’complex & convoluted’.
3. 

   Niefer (@niefer)
   20th January 2022, 4:15

   Too late to state the obvious, Mr. Tavares. Now that the harm has been done it’s just a matter of time for the next trending hit on environmental plans to save the world.
   1. 

      BasCB (@bascb)
      20th January 2022, 8:42

      It’s curious to read that statement in its full and reflect on his thinking there @niefer. I really am not so sure what “easier” ways he imagines – unless he would be serious about making a massive push to seriously decrease reliance on private vehicles and a push towards public transport to replace that, but I doubt that would get a car manufacturer on board! Maybe immediately putting VAT on airline fuel and stop the current deals where flying across the continent can be cheaper than getting in a train to a city 100 km away in many countries? That wouldn’t affect cars much so maybe that is it?

      Why curious? Because that 2035 limit was almost certainly also discussed with car manufacturers – for them a ban with a timeline is FAR better than leaving it up to the individual companies. If it was left up to the companies, most of them would have to still put some capacity into research and development of ICE engines, since there would be a risk of a competitor (say a Dacia, or heck why not a cheap Indian or Chinese competitor) coming in and competing for car sales with a dirt cheap ICE variant to the bigger brands still expensive EV stuff in the next few decades.
      Having this clear timeline is much alike F1 limiting use of expensive materials, development segways for alternative configurations of the powertrain etc. in that takes away some of the risk of betting on the wrong horse and spending huge money on it, since everyone will have to go down that same line.

      Sure, no guarantees that it was the best, or even a good path, but at least they are all in the same boat. And they will learn the same lessons and this will mean that in 5 years battery EVs will become a really good, and possibly not even too expensive product.
      1. 

         Proesterchen (@proesterchen)
         20th January 2022, 11:11

         +1
      2. 

         anon
         20th January 2022, 19:13

         @bascb it has also been noted that several of the companies within the Stellantis group had been devoting relatively limited amounts of their budget to R&D, particularly when it came to electric vehicles, with several of them lagging behind in that technology – the marques under the FCA side of Stellantis were particularly criticised by investors for chronic underinvestment in new technologies in the past.

         We therefore need to take into account the self-serving element of Tavares’s statements – he has made it clear that he wants to pump up the profit margins on the cars his group sells through, in part, cutting back on costs. However, if he has to pump money into the FCA side of the business to make up for that historical underinvestment, particularly in the field of electric cars, that would be doing pretty much the exact opposite at this point in time.

         He’s complained in the past that having to invest more in electric cars mean sacrificing either profit margins or sales volumes – now, given his main selling point to investors was that he’d pushed up profit margins on cars and increased volumes, having to do something that could compromise those goals and thus bring criticism from the shareholders is not particularly attractive.

         Added to that, with rivals being better placed due to investing earlier in that field, there is a risk of Stellantis losing market share to rivals. Criticising and seeking to slow down the growth in electric car sales, therefore, would be beneficial for a company that has fallen behind in that field.
      3. 

         x303 (@x303)
         21st January 2022, 20:32

         Some solid points here @bascb.
         But as illustrated, some will label anything as just “the next trending hit on environmental plans to save the world”. Carlos Tavares is surfing on that wave to sell more cars without investing in a new technology.
      4. 

         BasCB (@bascb)
         22nd January 2022, 15:14

         Yeah @s303, Anon, it certainly looks like Tavares’ knows how far Stellantis is behind the game with EVs and is trying to find a way out, or at least throw the blame onto someone else than himself when the company doesn’t make much headway in the following years (it almost certainly will, since it is lacking in current capacities, lacking in good stuff in the pipeline and is almost certainly not on top of the game with new developments being incubated either.)
      5. 

         Niefer (@niefer)
         28th January 2022, 17:04

         My bad, @bascb, for keeping you waiting! Haven’t logged in for some days.

         I say that’s fair enough!

         Though my parent post is less about Tavares and more about the push. I mean, an electric engine at the hands of any manufacturer can be just as dirt as an ICE whatever their motives are. Hybrid ICE with synthetic or bio-fuels, whatever, could be a decent way. But I don’t feel comfortable with bureaucrats terminally deciding about things they do not have the wisdom (and lotta times competence) to even grasp.

         A tendency is healthy, and I’m sure the majority of industry would jump boat to full electrification by their own without the help of a pen shackle, that even despite any vocal trendiness. But killing good alternatives is what really bothers me.

         For instance, I don’t know at which point Koenigsegg’s new “camshaft” R&D is at, but that with cleaner technologies could give ICE the way they needed to thrive in this new world.

         I simply can’t help to distrust imposed things by those who will profit over them.
4. 

   Sergey Martyn
   20th January 2022, 7:21

   Hackers. please blow that cryptosponsor to smithereens so we won’t experience these meaningless and stupid sprint “races” again!
5. 

   MacLeod (@macleod)
   20th January 2022, 8:11

   Piastri missing out on 2023 F1 seat would be an “injustice” – Ilott

   I think Nick de Vries don’t agree with that, the problem there are only 20 F1 spots and we get too many ‘young guns’ to try to fill that. I think we got too many drivers from F2 last year as we don’t have enough room in F1.

   F2 champions should get a test compairing them with their former F2 rivals and the fastest should get a seat. So you get a driver who was already in that seat and beat the newcomer or the newcomer wins and get his seat. So effective you get 1 new driver each 2 years.

   Or every driver get 2 years to promote themself to the top teams or just dropped. And this is way to brutal.
6. 

   Stephen Crowsen (@drycrust)
   20th January 2022, 8:21

   he feels strongly that Piastri, who won the F2 title as a rookie [last] year, must not be passed over for promotion.

   It might help if the F2 season started and finished much earlier than the F1 season does, e.g. say it finishes just about the time F1 has their Summer break, so the season champion is able to talk with teams when they still had uncontracted seats available.
7. 

   Elong
   20th January 2022, 8:26

   Tavares overstating the case as usual for trad auto kicking and screaming their way into the 21st century 22 years late.
   US – Model Y 62.5K vs Toyota Highlander PHEV 42K – 22 grand right there.
   You can read academic papers (last one I read said breakeven at 30,000k) or stakeholder assessments but for me CO2 footprint (& all other footprints) correlates closely with the actual dollar costs (discounting subsidies), upfront and running.
8. 

   Ruben
   20th January 2022, 9:03

   ChainBear just made a nice video about race direction and stewarding, that’s a top tip for the next round-up
9. 

   Roth Man (@rdotquestionmark)
   20th January 2022, 9:09

   Didn’t Mika Salo have front wing damage in his non-stop Monaco 97 race as well? Not that it looks like that crude front wing would help that much anyway haha.
   1. 

      amian
      20th January 2022, 18:20

      I don’t remember that. But as far as Salo damaging his front wing driving a Tyrrell in Monaco I sure remember him in the last lap pile-up in the crazy 1996 GP with Irvine and Hakkinen :))))
10. 

    JMDan (@danmar)
    20th January 2022, 16:05

    Injustice is par for the course. Deal with it.
    1. 

       amian
       20th January 2022, 18:21

       @danmar
       He dealt with it excellently well, so I don’t know what your point is ;)

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