No reward for Massa’s Safety Car strategy gamble

31 comments on “No reward for Massa’s Safety Car strategy gamble”

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   Sumedh Vidwans
   12th October 2014, 18:53

   Is 23 the least number of pit stops that we have seen in a race since the infamous 2005 US GP?
   1. 

      Bleu (@bleu)
      12th October 2014, 19:01

      I think some Bridgestone era races with multiple early retirements might have had less.
   2. 

      Sumedh Vidwans
      12th October 2014, 19:01

      I stand corrected! Bahrain 2010 had only 21 pit stops.
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   Imre (@f1mre)
   12th October 2014, 19:00

   Massa was already behind Raikkonen at the end of Lap 1. (if who I saw was him behind Rai) What was the point calling him to the pits from 12th??? Bad bad decision. His made his second stop when others made their sole stop.. what’s the point? He struck behind Perez and they changed to the same tyre at about the same time as Perez so it was garanteed he will be struck behind the Mexican for the remainder of the race…
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      Iestyn Davies (@fastiesty)
      12th October 2014, 19:17

      @f1mre Exactly, they could have passed as many cars on softs as possible, then ran to the end on a set of softs.. or run long on the medium like Gutierrez, then charge past Ferraris and Red Bulls at the end.
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   ben bailey
   12th October 2014, 19:02

   I fail to see any logic at all in massa strategy if you can call it that. He made up lots of placebos first lap but committed to loosing 25 seconds to everyone else.a safety car would kot have helped at all either.
   A better racer might have done something but once again it’s like watching a rookie only he’s one of the most experienced.
   Wish alonso was going to Williams and end massas career.
4. 

   ben bailey
   12th October 2014, 19:03

   You say places I say placebo….
5. 

   OOliver
   12th October 2014, 20:21

   If you ask me I’d say Williams don’t know how to gamble.
   They are now 3rd in the constructors, but they acted like they were 11th with the strategy.
   What safety car were they anticipating? Cars running wide?
   1. 

      Imre (@f1mre)
      12th October 2014, 20:35

      They were expecting cars caught in gravel traps.
      1. 

         OOliver
         12th October 2014, 23:29

         Gravel??? and Tilke???
         Those two don’t mix
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            Imre (@f1mre)
            13th October 2014, 7:35

            https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bze82XuCUAAcrK1.jpg
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   Mouse_Nightshirt (@mouse_nightshirt)
   12th October 2014, 20:40

   No safety car a surprise? With run-off areas the size of a Tesco car-park, was the likelihood of a crash even remotely possible?
   1. 

      Keith Collantine (@keithcollantine)
      12th October 2014, 22:44

      @mouse_nightshirt I addressed that in the link on that part of the text.
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   Clive Allen (@clive-allen)
   12th October 2014, 21:17

   Williams has always been hopeless at strategy. All their championships were won when their cars had huge technical advantages over the competition* and strategy was irrelevant therefore. Take it from me – if you ever get to drive for Williams, make up your own strategy! ;)

   * Sole exception: Keke Rosberg – and he won because the others were shooting themselves in the foot.
   1. 

      Solo (@solo)
      7th February 2015, 0:10

      That is true and the same goes with their pit speed. They are never the fast team. Conservative strategies and pits has been with them ever since i watched them from the time Mansel was there.
8. 

   Patrickl (@patrickl)
   12th October 2014, 22:00

   Massa really needs to buy himself a mirror so he can see who he can blame for his poor performance today.

   He was on average a second a lap faster than Perez in the laps before he ended up stuck behind Perez. Combined with a straight line speed advantage and DRS, there really should not have been an issue to getting past Perez.

   I said it upfront to people who were looking forward to a come back race from Massa (even waving at Alonso when flying past) that I thought that very unlikely. Massa simply isn’t a racer who can move up the field.
   1. 

      alexanderf1
      13th October 2014, 0:09

      the force india had quick top speed and the williams isnt planted like the merc hence the reason rosberg could overtake with ease . how many merc powered cars have you seen overtake other merc powered cars this season excluding mercedes team, i cant think of many. and if massa isnt racer then does that make ricciardo not racer as well for getting stuck behind alonso. its not massas fault he started 18th and after being in 12th on 1st lap they didnt change the strategy(by staying out).
      1. 

         Patrickl (@patrickl)
         13th October 2014, 10:46

         It’s not about getting stuck, but about getting stuck behind a car that’s a full second a lap slower and then to complain that it was the strategy …

         He couldn’t stay out because the softs couldn’t last a whole race.

         I have seen plenty Merc powered cars overtake each other. For instance, Bottas did it several times when he did made his comebacks from the back back to the front.
         1. 

            Edvaldo
            14th October 2014, 1:59

            He started with mediums.
            Williams is so stupid that he could do the exact opposite to Rosberg. Do the whole race on mediums and change for softs on the last lap.

            They choosed to burn the mediums on the first lap and do two stints on the softs. Pure geniuses.
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      vjm
      13th October 2014, 0:32

      So why Bottas couldn’t pass Vettel who drove a very slow(for RBR standards) car and had to wait until Vettel pitted?
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         Patrickl (@patrickl)
         13th October 2014, 10:42

         Seriously? A Red Bull is only a few tenths slower as a Williams and that lasted for 2 laps only.
9. 

   Bruno (@brunes)
   13th October 2014, 3:50

   Ridiculous strategy.
   Not even a safety car would’ve helped him.

   Massa usually makes good starts, which he did. So they should have let him rape the hell out of those Mediums and then pitted for softs to go to the end.

   Even my wife said, “why would he stop twice when everyone stopped once?”
   1. 

      pedantic
      13th October 2014, 10:54

      I don`t think “rape” is an appropriate word to use in the context here…
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      zippyone (@zippyone)
      13th October 2014, 11:50

      Indeed, Massa usually makes great starts, the team know that so if he made a good start they should have switched to plan B straight away.

      They should have already thought about this and planned for it. Illogical.
   3. 

      Rick Lopez (@viscountviktor)
      13th October 2014, 16:25

      Thank you both for your insightful and fair comments
   4. 

      Iestyn Davies (@fastiesty)
      13th October 2014, 16:28

      Hehe, @brunes “Even my wife is smarter than the Williams strategists”
10. 

    Ronald Olivier (@ronolivier)
    13th October 2014, 10:38

    Perhaps safety car appearances should be made compulsory. Similar argument to the fuel issue. Teams and drivers should take risks – stupid or otherwise!
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    James (@jamesjames123abc)
    13th October 2014, 17:53

    In my opinion, Bottas could quite easily have finished 2nd. I think Williams should’ve pitted Bottas several laps earlier, so that he’d come out in front of Vettel, rather than behind. His pace started to drop off around lap 20, when he was in the 1:44s, until he was in the 1:45s by the time he pitted. The ~3 seconds he lost to Vettel in those 5-6 laps probably cost him the chance to run in free air, ahead of Rosberg, as well as Vettel.
    1. 

       Edvaldo
       14th October 2014, 2:03

       Williams sucks so bad on strategies it isn’t even funny.
       They are the only team that can make Mercedes a run for their money on a wheel to wheel battle, but lost every single opportunity to it by wrong calls from the pits.

       But i think Bottas was half sleeping when Rosberg made the move on him, too. He only tried to defend position when Rosberg was almost through.
12. 

    Trenthamfolk (@)
    14th October 2014, 18:33

    Given Massa’s outspoken rhetoric about safety, to base your strategy on the hope that someone messes up seriously enough to put every other driver’s safety at risk (hence the safety car) is just perverse…
    1. 

       Solo (@solo)
       7th February 2015, 0:14

       And quite ridiculous considering they have the car and performance to not need such pointless luck based strategies.
       I think Williams has better chance listening to me that any other guy they have on the pit wall.

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