Toro Rosso broke three noses on kerbs in practice

33 comments on “Toro Rosso broke three noses on kerbs in practice”

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   @HoHum (@hohum)
   30th June 2018, 1:10

   Wow ! those wings cost a fortune, I’ll bet the owner of STR is really angry with the owner of the track, let’s hope they don’t bump into each other, things could get really ugly.

   In other news I read that Aston Martin are thinking about not thinking about building the F1 engine they were thinking about building, this is terrible news for F1 as the engine Aston Martin was thinking about building was thought to be a race winning engine.
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      Mach1 (@mach1)
      30th June 2018, 1:27

      I think I see where you are going with this…..
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   ferrox glideh (@ferrox-glideh)
   30th June 2018, 1:14

   It seems to me that the curbs in Austria were just as severe last year. I imagine that every driver and engineer remembers and understands this fact: Austrian curbs break bodywork. Bring on the curbs!
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      Nikki (@nikkit)
      30th June 2018, 7:34

      They haven’t changed since F1 returned there. Remember 2016 and the problems they had that year, especially Kvyat and his incrediable ossilating and then disintergrating rear axle?
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   Strontium (@strontium)
   30th June 2018, 1:34

   Well treat the kerbs like a concrete wall, if the drivers touch it it’s their fault. The runoff area is for safety, and is not a track extension. It’s the same for everyone so there is no lap time gain by running on the kerbs
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      Jeffrey (@jeffreyj)
      30th June 2018, 16:12

      But there is. As long as your car doesn’t break from the yellow curbs, extending the track is always the fastest. These yellow curbs MIGHT damage the car, so it might be worth the gamble during qualifying. Point in case: today Verstappen did it on every run and his car didn’t break, whilst Alonso tried it in Q2 and it didn’t work. He had to try though.

      Only grass/gravel/barriers directly behind the white line will cost you time/destroy your car for sure. If it’s anything else, drivers will always keep extending the track at the risk of damage.
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   Fer no.65 (@fer-no65)
   30th June 2018, 1:57

   Charlie [Whiting] told us to make stronger front wings

   I think that’s fair from Charlie. Want to ride the kerbs? make the car stand it… if the car keeps breaking, well, just avoid them! It’s the same with walls… or that bump at Monaco they always avoid.
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      kcrossle (@kcrossle)
      30th June 2018, 3:31

      OK – you made me look it up! 1970 Monaco: watch before and at the 40 second mark. I’ll never forget watching this… if it weren’t for “the bump… they always avoid” Rindt (2nd behind Brabham…. you have to look back to him) would not have finished the race I think.
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         Fer no.65 (@fer-no65)
         30th June 2018, 3:57

         @kcrossle what do you mean?
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            Keith Crossley
            30th June 2018, 5:05

            Rindt went to the bump sideways… and I believe it straightened him out. If it hadn’t been there he would have collected the guard rail.
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      kcrossle (@kcrossle)
      30th June 2018, 3:31

      Doh! The link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XC2v4A_y4VI
      1. 

         Stephen Crowsen (@drycrust)
         30th June 2018, 8:08

         I’m amazed people were allowed to stand on the race track.
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            anon
            30th June 2018, 8:41

            @drycrust, you will find that quite a few marshals and spectators were killed in races in that era, but that sometimes barely even merited a mention in contemporary reports – you could say that, to people for whom WW2 was still a fairly fresh memory, life was held rather more cheaply than it is now.
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   Tony
   30th June 2018, 2:14

   Let’s have a 5cm drop if you go off the track limits with a slow bumpy drive back on the track, then see how many drivers want to test the limits of the track after losing 5 or 6 places. The alternative is build walls all round the track or put grass right up to the track edge. If you can’t stay on the track you are either driving too fast/ hard or you haven’t honed your skills enough to be in F1.
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   juan fanger (@juan-fanger)
   30th June 2018, 3:53

   Re COTD – just watched that video and wow! The PiP of the drivers head bouncing around everywhere really gives you an idea of the speed and forces.
   It is a pity modern cameras take all of the shake, rattle and roll out of the broadcast. Still get far more sensation of the forces on the car and driver by watching the old Grand Prix movie from the 1960s.
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   socksolid (@socksolid)
   30th June 2018, 4:22

   With regard to the cotd it is important to remember that the porsche 919 evo is not lmp1 car anymore. It has more power, active aerodynamics, more downforce in corners and less drag on straights, no fuel flow limits or electric power limits and probably better tires and new fuel among other things. It does not fulfill any part of the wec regulations for lmp1-h cars and as such it is not lmp1 car anymore. It is essentially a car built with no rules and regulations in mind. It only started as lmp1 car. The difference between the lmp1 919 and the 919 evo is about the same as toyota prius you can buy from a store and the toyota prius you can see raced in supergt. There is a massive difference between the two.
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      Sush meerkat
      30th June 2018, 7:42

      Even though everyone knows it’s may be considered cheating from a 1:1 regulations point of view, it’s still impressive.
      Much like your analogy of the Prius is impressive.

      So was the Renault espasse F1 car, everyone that wasn’t a factory built 7 seater.
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      ColdFly (@)
      30th June 2018, 8:35

      Next you tell me that the Peugeot 205 in which Timo Salonen won the WRC wasn’t the same as mine :-p
8. 

   Lee Taylor
   30th June 2018, 5:39

   Max, always right….. lol
   Will never be world champ with that attitude.
   And last week saying why the media didn’t attack Vettle like they did for him…. they only started giving you grief max after you had 5 or 6 incidents in a row! (not his fault, he’s always right! lol)
   Vettle has won 4 world titles, you don’t win world titles making heaps of mistakes like you do… (oh wait, im wrong, you’re always right..)
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      ColdFly (@)
      30th June 2018, 8:43

      That’s just the title to get the ‘keyboard warriors’ upset; the article is much more balanced.
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   DB-C90 (@dbradock)
   30th June 2018, 5:54

   I’d be a bit disappointed if they change the kerbs unless there’s virtually no chance that cars can avoid them.

   They’re doing the job they were designed for, maybe the drivers need to do the same.
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    Tango (@tango)
    30th June 2018, 7:26

    The more I see how far Hamilton is going to say I’m sorry about the whole mess, the more I’m convinced it’s about what I had speculated in a previous comment : he really got told off by his family (and the shame of having shamed his nephew perhaps)
    1. 

       Nick Wyatt (@nickwyatt)
       30th June 2018, 8:27

       I think you may be right. But whatever the reason, it’s great to see Hamilton ripped and wearing a skirt.
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    Jere (@jerejj)
    30th June 2018, 7:35

    ”on social media you have all these keyboard warriors who just type something and they never say it to my face.”
    – Savage, LOL.
    Concerning the Motorsport Magazine-article:
    – I doubt it. I don’t think he’d change a team anymore. I think if he were to keep his F1 career going then it’d only be with Ferrari, i.e., either Ferrari or nothing.
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    Todfod (@todfod)
    30th June 2018, 7:45

    I’m wondering if an F1 car will actually be quicker than 919 that was used to lap the Nurburgring. The 919 looked mighty on acceleration and on the straights, but I’m assuming an F1 car would be carrying much more speed in to the corners… especially the slow ones.

    An F1 car would probably be quicker.. but to see where and by how much would be interesting.
    1. 

       Ju88sy (@)
       30th June 2018, 9:14

       @todfod An F1 team would play by the same rules as Porsche though, that is you can put any series regulations to one side and setup the car specifically for the circuit. In that case it wouldn’t, by definition, be an F1 car!
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          MG1982 (@mg1982)
          30th June 2018, 9:58

          Overall it’ll still be an F1 car without doubt. It’s funny, body aside, for quite some decades now these Le Mans prototypes are actually pretty much F1-inspired cars, like the entire building philosophy is taken from F1. The ’60s was the last decade when they shared more with street cars than F1 cars, but things changed significantly when the GT40 arrived on the scene.
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             anon
             30th June 2018, 10:42

             @mg1982, I wouldn’t really say that the sportscars of the 1960’s shared that much with a street car – they were really a bespoke design in their own right – whilst there were already cars competing at Le Mans that were adapted from F1 cars (like the Cooper T57 Monaco, which shared quite a lot of components with their F1 and F2 cars).
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    MG1982 (@mg1982)
    30th June 2018, 9:59

    Better use steel next time! :))
14. 

    Patrickl (@patrickl)
    30th June 2018, 10:33

    Let Verstappen come say that to my face. So I see he’s not. Coward!

    Still Verstappen is becoming a bit of a cry baby really. He really should go back to the way he was in his first seasons :)

    At least then he just did his thing and actually didn’t care about what people said. Now he says he doesn’t care and then goes on to cry about it every chance he gets.

    Seriously, if you don’t want people to complain that you are taking too many risks crashing out needlessly and taking out your team mate pretty much on purpose, then either stop doing it or actually don’t care about what people say and let them talk.

    Either way, we saw how Vettel threw away the title in 2017 with his multitude of red mist moments and even if Verstappen doesn’t learn from his own mistakes (since I’m sure he doesn’t make any in his head) then at least learn from Vettel’s.
    1. 

       Robbie (@robbie)
       30th June 2018, 11:11

       @patrickl You’re the one that actually sounds like a cry baby. He’s being interviewed at the race, not crying about it every chance he gets, in reality. He’s trying to put this to bed and has all along. He’s admitted his season hasn’t gone the way he would like, but as we have seen with virtually all athletes, they can get into rough patches. Max’s seems to be over. Obviously he has a much more level head about things than the ‘keyboard warriors’ he talks about, such as yourself.

       ‘…taking out your teammate pretty much on purpose…’ is exactly the rhetoric Max is talking about, so if the likes of you would just shut up about it, it would pass.

       ‘…since I’m sure he doesn’t make any in his head…’ so, just add to the same ridiculous rhetoric that proves what Max is saying is correct then. You’ve done a good job showing why Max has felt compelled to say the things he did in this interview. Max will have a stellar F1 career and you’ll be crying over your keyboard.
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          Robbie (@robbie)
          30th June 2018, 11:41

          The Hughes article on Kimi raises the same ‘keyboard warrior’ issues that Max has spoken about. The rumour starts with someone adding up some ‘ifs’ to try to create something to write about. If FA leaves Mac…if Kimi leaves Ferrari…then that could potentially mean, without there being any actual evidence of talks, Kimi going to Mac. And just like that, based on thin air only, Kimi is now being asked about it. So he gives a Max-like jokey answer and explains that people will write what they want no matter if there’s any truth in reality about it at all.

          Then what does Hughes take from that? Well…Kimi didn’t deny it as vehemently as I would like, and therefore there must have been discussions, there must be something to it. Lol…facepalm on Kimi’s behalf. It couldn’t possibly be that Kimi finds it so ridiculous he just sloughs it off. No…now the sloughing has created meaning in Hughes mind. Hughes must have had nothing else to do that day so he made work for himself. And one wonders why drivers get jaded sometimes and can be short when asked about unfounded speculation like there has to be something to everything. Let’s just throw it all against the wall and see what sticks.
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          Patrickl (@patrickl)
          30th June 2018, 15:27

          @robbie Good kindergarten comeback

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