2014 Austrian Grand Prix result

2014 Austrian Grand Prix

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16Nico RosbergMercedes711hr 27m 54.976s
244Lewis HamiltonMercedes711.9321.932
377Valtteri BottasWilliams-Mercedes718.1726.240
419Felipe MassaWilliams-Mercedes7117.3589.186
514Fernando AlonsoFerrari7118.5531.195
611Sergio PerezForce India-Mercedes7128.5469.993
720Kevin MagnussenMcLaren-Mercedes7132.0313.485
83Daniel RicciardoRed Bull-Renault7143.52211.491
927Nico HulkenbergForce India-Mercedes7144.1370.615
107Kimi RaikkonenFerrari7147.7773.640
1122Jenson ButtonMcLaren-Mercedes7150.9663.189
1213Pastor MaldonadoLotus-Renault701 lap1 lap
1399Adrian SutilSauber-Ferrari701 lap26.338
148Romain GrosjeanLotus-Renault701 lap34.797
1517Jules BianchiMarussia-Ferrari692 laps1 lap
1610Kamui KobayashiCaterham-Renault692 laps31.977
174Max ChiltonMarussia-Ferrari692 laps2.111
189Marcus EricssonCaterham-Renault692 laps7.435
1921Esteban GutierrezSauber-Ferrari692 laps0.292
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25Jean-Eric VergneToro Rosso-Renault5912 laps10 lapsBrakes
1Sebastian VettelRed Bull-Renault3437 laps25 lapsRetired
26Daniil KvyatToro Rosso-Renault2447 laps10 lapsSuspension

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66 comments on “2014 Austrian Grand Prix result”

  1. HAM would have won the race if it wasn’t for his rubbish pit crew.

    1. @ultimateuzair Same crew; guess Lewis was just unluckier than Nico

      1. 9th to 2nd and 8 tenths behind 1st isn’t a bad result. If he hadn’t had that awful pitstop and cleared the williams quicker he certainly would have won.

        1. Or if he set a qualifying time, or if Rosberg cracked under pressure, or if pit crew screwed up with Rosberg instead, or if the Williams held Rosberg up longer.

          1. Exactly, woulda coulda shoulda, same bs again from HAM fans. Fact is he screwed up quali. Fact is, he was right behind Rosberg after 1st(?) lap already, so he evened out things there, but never got close to getting past. In the future, he needs to get things right on both saturday and sunday to score it.

          2. Him losing 2 seconds during the pit stops is also a fact…

          3. That is a fact also. And fact is he couldn’t make a pass on Nico, suggestively being so much superior than him today by some fans comments.

          4. Rosberg did crack under pressure a couple of times, but due to the loss of time in the pitstops, Hamilton wasn’t there to benefit from it.

            Agreed though, Hamilton should simply have gotten pole, but when he puts out a cracking lap in the 1:12’s while the rest is doing 1:13-1:14 and still doesn’t get rewarder because of a poor pitstop must be frustrating.

          5. The pitstop didn’t help and also the fact that they had to start saving brakes didn’t help also even though its hard to overtake in the DRS zone when the cars are the same. To overtake here it seems taking a risk like he did in turn 8 but if you do that too many times its easy to crash and that would be -25 points so -7 points is a lot better considering he started 9th

    2. @ultimateuzair HAM might have won the race if he hadn’t spun in qualifying…

      1. +1 @magnificent-geoffrey
        He should have put the first lap right and he didn’t and lost the race there

        1. @ Sri Harsha, I’ll do you one better: He lost the Austrian GP because of the DNF in Australia. Does that sound like crazy logic? That’s because it is. Just as crazy as implying a race is lost or won on a single qualifying lap. This isn’t Monaco.

          Rosberg won but there was so much drama in Hamilton’s race with managing fuel even though he had way more in the tank and managing brakes. Most of it wasn’t being aired, it was the Sky crew that was telling the viewers what was going on over the radios. The slow stops didn’t help either.

          1. @sudd
            He lost time but he was never in a position to jump Rosberg or get closer than 1 sec as far as i can see and Both had Issues with breaks according to Team radio as far as i heard , so it cancels out what bad luck he has and Lewis is always Better in fuel consumption thats the point from Race 2 , and every one is saving fuel and if he over saved fuel its his team problem nothing nico can do about that.
            Simplly put : Do he able to attack earlier to Nico with pit stops being quicker – Yes
            Do he overtake Nico on track – Mostly No as Its hard to as overtaking same car with DRS is hard and overtaking Merc engined car is lot harder and having same engine with same power output(Strat 6) is much harder

    3. Don’t think so, he was never close enough after coming out of the pits that the faster pit stops would have made a real difference.

      1. You’re wrong thye just showed it Ham would have got Bottas. Sky just shown it.

    4. I hope Williams can carry this form forward. it would be great to see them close up even more on Mercedes. the merc team are notorious for not advancing there car as much as other teams as the year goes on. would be great seeing Hamilton and rosberg fighting for the title, while also competing with other drivers.

  2. All of Ros wins lol Ham as been as quick,crazy really. Aus don’t count as Ham was not their. Even Montreal Ham was as fast.

    1. Again this guy, same as Alokin and a few other blind, narrow-minded fans here, going with same stories everytime it doesn’t go their way.

      1. What a silly comment when the comment i just said was a FACT. I sure id did not see a 20 sec gap like Malaysia in any Ros win? You’re comment above is silly aswell how was he behind he lost in pits as Ros got the jump. You do no Ham came straight behind Bottas so was clearly faster(good luck trying to pass in same car). Also the gap he lost in pits would have meant he was after Rosberg after 1st stop but he was not he came out 3rd. Good try.

        1. err. in hamiltons wins rosberg has been as quick as him too. I don’t know if you noticed today, Hamilton could not pass rosberg, did you not see that? in Monaco – the drivers circuit, Hamilton could not pass rosberg. give some credit, they are pretty equal.

          1. lol think you missed China and Malaysia. Ham won by over 10 seconds both times.

        2. It’s not a try, it’s a fact. Look at all of your 10+ posts in 3-4 different threads here, going with same story. Blind sob.

          1. So are you @lari isee you backing Rai lol Hilarious. You often say Ham is underpefroming. . Rai is slower than Massa. HAHA

          2. I’m backing alot of drivers and I’m doing it analytically, unlike you. Also, where do I say Hamilton is underperforming? And since you brought Raikkonen up, where do you see me bashing Alonso? Where do you see me making 20 posts about Raikkonen vs Alonso? Doesn’t matter if you’d support Chilton, but if you’re as blind and narrowminded as you are, I will comment on it.

  3. I think its already happening. Hamilton is losing trust in the engineers/team and has good reason to. Instead of just focusing on driving, he seems very concerned about the car breaking down. I don’t think he has confidence the team is acting proactively or swiftly enough should a problem occur. His second stop was a whole second slower than Rosberg. Kind of hard to call it bad luck when you’re consistently getting slow pit stops.

    1. @sudd Are you suggesting that Hamilton is having the same problems with Merc that he felt with McLaren? Where does he go then?

      He is not my favorite (putting it mildly) but he put in an excellent drive today, crew or not.

      1. @curmudgeon, did you not hear him over the radio checking to make sure his car was safe? Eventually the engineers had to tell him to leave “management to us.” The same engineers that told him after the Canadian GP that they could have been more proactive and gotten him to the finish like Rosberg.

        Ham is faster than Ros, but he isn’t 1sec faster. He is just a few tenths quicker, but that’s huge in F1. The problem is when your side of the garage is performing at B+ level and the other side of the garage is performing at A level, you’re going to have a hard time winning. Add in the fact you’re losing 2secs in the pits at every GP and victories become very hard. Those are facts. Trying to dismiss them as conspiracy is a bit disingenuous. Smooth GPs for Ham hinge on him getting pole and keeping the pressure off the engineers and pit crew because it’s apparently too much for them.

        1. B+ is a bit gracious. I’d give Hams garage a B.

        2. I agree with you, @sudd, I just hope he handles it well. I didn’t claim a conspiracy; it is felt among some that the same crew/driver relationship at McLaren might develop at Mercedes. I think that both teams try hard for their drivers.

          Despite the current point difference this is still Hamilton’s championship to lose. He is one of the top three drivers on the grid and that doesn’t include Nico R. And remember last year, Vettel had smooth GPs by getting pole, getting into clear air, and keeping pressure off the team. And for that he was criticized. Cheers!

        3. @sudd, this just in from Crofty twitter re Hamilton pit stops: “Info from Ted. Positioning cost Lewis time at 1st pit stop, damage on ‘cake tin’ cost time putting wheel on for the second stop”

          1. @curmudgeon, Sure. The pit stop discrepancy is finally being talked about in the press. Watch the pit crew miraculously get their act together in the coming races.

    2. That’s karma catching on him from his year with Alonso.

    3. Lotus-Grosjean
      22nd June 2014, 17:01

      I don’t really think so. During the second pit stops in Canadian GP Rosberg clearly had a slower stop than Lewis.

      1. @Lotus-Grosjean, no one is expecting them to have identical pit stop times. Ros was only a few tenths in Canada. His first stop was faster than Ham. The problem is when one guy is losing 2-3 seconds in the pits every GP.

        1. LATG (@lotus-grosjean)
          22nd June 2014, 17:17

          Pit stop times vary from time to time that’s true (just look at Williams), but I’m still not sure about ‘losing trust’. I do hope they get the same treatment from the team though.

        2. He lost the time due to his own fault once and 2nd stop he had dmg as has been addressed in F1 press already.


    1. Hard to tell. I mean, it’s hard to give DOTW to a driver who lost places ! If you ask me, Alonso did a better job than Bottas by losing just 1 place compared to the start, but Williams was obviously a lot better here than Ferrari.

      1. @corrado-dub I don’t know what you’ve done in your math lessons, but Bottas lost 1 place also, same as Alonso. And given that Bottas actually gave them hard time for big part of the race, is something to recognize. Alonso did well also, not taking away that, but imo not as good as Bottas.

        1. Did pretty good at math.

          Did I say different ? No ! That’s why I compared BOT to ALO, because they lost 1 place compared to the start… but the machinery was quite different, in BOT’s favour, of course. ALO lost 1 place to HAM, there’s no comment here as Mercedes is way too much in front of Ferrari in race pace, but BOT lost a place to the same driver (= HAM), who he beat in the Quali, but also to another driver (= Rosberg), who BOT beat also in the Quali ! So, BOT lost to 2 driver he beat in the Quali fair and square. And that happened because Williams proved just as good as Mercedes here. So, how can you say BOT did a better job, when he had car good enough to challenge Mercedes ?

          1. @corrado-dub either you’re dillusional or just in denial. We all know Hamilton binned his qualification, he would’ve been ahead of Bottas otherwise. Same goes for Rosberg, he missed his 2nd quali lap due to Hamiltons spin (was just behind ham and had to break). Also Bottas passed Massa. Noone in their right mind thinks Mercs are beatable now without any help from mechanical failure or sorts. You know it yourself, surely. Bottas was best of the rest, and gave Ham&Ros run for their money during race with far inferior machine. So in the light of this and considering Alonso didn’t actually pass *anyone*, I’m inclined to lean towards Bottas here.

            Also, lets me quote you “it’s hard to give DOTW to a driver who lost places”, then in the very next sentence you’re trying to say Alonso would deserve it eventhough he “lost places”? You also say “Alonso did a better job than Bottas by losing just 1 place compared to the start” which means you’re saying Alonso did better job because Bottas lost 1 place compared to the start, you’re not saying they both lost 1 place in that sentece. You will see the speed difference between Williams and Mercedes when Keith posts the lap times from the race. Anything else Spaniard?

        2. OK, let’s stop this conversion. You’re in dillusional and in denial, not me. Also, not much logic.

          Williams was far worse than Mercedes here, at RBRing ?!?! I don’t see that at all. Massa and Bottas’ best Quali times were like 0.5seconds faster than best time ALO did. If that’s not huge… have no ideea what it is, for F1. Also, better than any of the times achieved by the 2 Mercedes drivers. Then again, too many “IFs” in your logic where you sustain that both Mercedes drivers would have beat Massa and Bottas for the 1st row. It’s obvious Williams were going to give Mercedes a run for their money even from Friday, when everybody (bar YOU, I suspect) noticed that Mercedes was struggling with the SuperSofts. I think you know that the SuperSofts are the “fastest tyres” in F1 !?!? Anyway… my comparison between BOT and ALO aimed at the fact that Williams not only seemed, but also proved to be a lot closer to Mercedes than any other team. Then, Williams was closer to Mercedes than the next team (= Ferrari/Alonso) was close to Williams. As I said, the difference between Williams and Ferrari seemed to be at least 0.5s, while the difference between Mercedes and Williams seemed like 0.2s. Cheers.

          1. So you’re saying Rosbergs and Hamiltons starting positions really reflected the car’s potential? Who are you trying to kid here? Williams is and was faster than Ferrari, never said anything else, or did I? If I did, quote me please. I only said Mercedes is alot faster than Williams (AND all other teams also ofc). And I also poked hole in your sentence with “it’s hard to give DOTW to a driver who lost places” and “Alonso did a better job than Bottas by losing just 1 place compared to the start” as you conveniently disregarded in last post, but hey, that’s all you could do right? Like I said, when we get the best lap times from Keith, I bet 50 pounds that Merc fastest times were alot faster than Williams (and all other ofc, duh), hence 3rd was absolutely the best you could achieve with Williams atm.

    2. Perez, just to annoy everyone.

  5. Wow, terrible luck for Vettel once again. 2014 is hitting him hard. Hopefully he will get a smooth weekend someday.

    1. Talking about terrible luck, take a look at Vergne…man that guy has done something terrible in the past life it seems :/

    2. He needs to get a smooth weekend , My friend asked me how many technical issues hit Daniel and Sebastian this year so far ,
      Daniel has Technical issue of Fuel usage in Australia but Sebastian has Issues mostly due to machinery and its much higher Australia Q and R , Bahrain Q , Spain Q , Monaco R and Now here Speilberg R.
      Was Vettel Underperforming yes but i think his Spread sheet of usage of Engine elements showing how many problems he was facing all the time this year and may be by Silverstone or Germany he will start to get penalties by using more components

    3. vettel is still close enough to fight for third with Alonso and ricciardo, his time will come. but he can have a rest from winning, he ont be too frustrated after 4 wdc in a row.

    4. The amount of reliability issues can’t be helping his cause for gaining confidence with the car and establishing a rhythm, though.

    5. Vettel and Red Bull should consider this as a learning year. They’re obviously not going to challenge for either championship, so they should relax, develop the car, start early with next year’s car, and so on.

  6. A perspective on the “were it not for 2 DNFs (i.e. attributing Lewis’ results solely to bad luck) Lewis would be leading the championship.” Some of Hamilton’s “bad luck” through the years comes through his own mental approach. He pushes himself and his car massively all the time. It is why he is one of the drivers able to wring performance and results out of underperforming cars and bad positions. But to be a champion, you have to also know when NOT to push so hard. This latter attribute is what makes Alonso IMO the best driver on the grid, and is the foundation for what he has been able to accomplish over the past several seasons with a car that in his teammates’ hands is midfield at best. Alonso knows how to remain mentally calm on Saturdays and Sundays and avoid the mistakes that come from overdriving– spinouts, breaking machinery. Lewis’ blog post after the last race says it all: by pushing so hard to try and get around Nico, he killed a weakened car and got NO points, while Nico accepted the reality of the mechanical fault, backed off and was able to drive hard enough to limit damage by only losing a place, finished the race, and hauled in the points. With the big changes in all the moving parts and electronics this year (powertrain and braking systems), we are back to a formula reminiscent of the previous century when reliability cannot be taken for granted. The cars are requiring mechanical sympathy; the energy harvesting protocols, torque curves, and reduction in aero are making the cars much more of a handful under braking and on exit. The drivers feel of the car and inputs are much more important. Lewis MUST learn PATIENCE. You cannot go all out all the time. You have to intelligently (and dispassionately) assess the situation you are in and respond to it appropriately. Alonso is a master at this despite being intensely competitive himself, and it seems Nico is ahead of Lewis in this area.

    1. Its funny how the “team” aspect of F1 gets thrown right out the window when it gives certain people the chance to unload everything on Hamilton’s shoulders. So if Ham turns things around, will you say he did it single handed or with the help of the team? BTW, your stereotypical rant about “intelligent” drivers is offensive

      1. There are many kinds of intelligence beyond strictly IQ, and using intelligence– whether emotional, psychological, analytical, scientific, relational. Why is it offensive and or stereotypical to consider this? I am a big Lewis fan, and was thrilled when he took it to Alonso at McLaren. I am a person of color myself. But I am also a student of human nature, and am well studied in the science of expertise, and what makes an expert (a champion in sports disciplines) successful. I am referring to qualities that I have seen emerge in Lewis since his championship. He puts a load of expectations on himself to be the best driver on the team and grid, and while expectations can help set personal targets, chasing expectations in an uncalibrated manner (ie no off switch) leads to anxiety, frustration, a loss of ability to read conditions, and unforced errors.

        1. *learning to use one’s different kinds of intelligence is key to success in all fields.*

        2. Keep telling yourself that. The intelligence argument is based on stereotypes that cannot be proven. F1 has been shoving it down its viewers throats for decades and they just keep eating it up.

          German driver: Cold and analytical
          Brazilian driver: Fiery, aggressive, hot tempered
          English driver: A gentlemen. Cool and calm
          French driver: Smart. Picks battles wisely
          Black driver: Naturally gifted(translation: he didn’t work for it, he was just born with it). Not very cerebral.

          We’ve seen it over and over and people just continue to eat it up. I’m willing to bet most F1 fans could name the drivers those stereotypes/descriptions were attributed to.

          1. Yeah, I totally see how Bellof was cold and analytical (or Sutil is), how Massa is regarded as fiery and aggressive, how Mansell was a cool and calm gentleman and Alesi always picked his battles wisely.
            Also, Darrel Wallace Jr. is cerebral. Sorry, if I couldn´t come up with an F1-driver and took one from Nascar instead. Hamilton is not cerebral. And he is not black, but mixed.

        3. Intelligence is a measure of capability in a sphere of mental human performance, nothing more. It is influenced by genetic and epigenetic factors, family modeling and teaching, cultural modeling, encouragement, and teaching from an early age, and individual effort at self improvement. It can be increased by training and health, and decreased by disuse and disease. Turn off the media, stop telling others what they are “telling themselves,” and read the science. An example of hugely mentally capable black athletes: Tiger Woods in golf, Michael Jordan in basketball, Ray Lewis in American football. All champions will tell you that when you get to the highest level, successful performance of the individual is 85% mental, if not more. History is littered with talented athletes who underachieved due to mindset. Lewis is a very intelligent man. IMO he does lack the ability to calibrate himself emotionally to the situation at hand as well as some of his peers.

        4. Cultural factors do play a role in the development of intelligence through the availability or lack thereof of appropriate role modeling, and how a culture sterotypes itself (“this is what big men should do, this is what rich women should do, this is what “good” people do, etc”). People, media, etc latch on to these influences because they are easy to see, and then perpetuate stereotypes. Many people have had to escape the cultural pigeonholing and extreme peer pressure of their own clans/tribes in order to succeed in the larger world.

  7. I have to say I’m really impressed with Bottas and Perez, I imagined their team mates would finish well ahead of them. Hulkenberg might be on his longest point scoring streak, he hasn’t impressed me as much as Perez has so far, though.

    Meanwhile, I wonder how much longer it is going to take Force India and Williams to be clear of Ferrari and McLaren, neither or which seem to be able to get 2 cars high into the points. Meanwhile, Lotus fails to capitalize on a double DNF for their nearest rivals Toro Rosso. Enstone might very well end up with their worst result since 2001.

    1. LATG (@lotus-grosjean)
      22nd June 2014, 17:23

      Don’t know if anyone noticed, but there’s clear frustration from the TR of RoGro to the team

  8. Hi everyone!

    I’m looking for a pen-friend about F1 topic. My english knowledge is not too much, but I will try to improve it.
    My favourite driver is Kimi, but if your favourite driver is not Kimi, it’s not a problem.

    1. @saubers1 I sent you a friend request. My English is native but I live in a land where folks have a hard time learning it. Kimi is great, not my favorite, but that doesn’t stop me following his races. Glad to talk F1.

      1. Thanks, I sent private message. :)

    2. @saubers1 I also sent you a friend request. My native language isn’t English and Kimi is my favorite driver, so we have a lot in common! :)

  9. It seems F1F has been infiltrated by two horrible characters. I love how their comments always stay even when they’re insulting. However mine, that pull up these characters are constantly deleted. I think I’ll call it quits for a little bit on this joke of a Nazi comment section

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