295 comments on “F1 Fanatic Live: 2017 Brazilian Grand Prix”
Hello everyone and welcome to F1 Fanatic Live for the first practice session for this weekend’s Brazilian Grand Prix!
Ricciardo sitting at the pit lane exit over three minutes before the session begins.
Cracking lap by Bottas – already six-tenths quicker than last year’s pole position time and within three-tenths of the track record.
Hi Keith. BBC says Bottas did that time on Softs rather than SuperSofts – is that correct? Can’t watch/listen live as I am supposedly working!
Yes he was on softs. And he is now on super-softs!
Hamilton is the first driver inside the track record time for Interlagos with a lap of 1’09.672. That’s a second quicker than last year’s pole position time.
Looks like Massa has received secret Mercedes engine mode for his last race :)
Last race in brazil
Or maybe last race full stop if Williams decide to lever him out of the cockpit and run one of their 2018 choices in Abu Dhabi.
Massa currently third, hopefully he can score a good result in his 2nd retirement and make up for last years result.
Best times by team with half an hour to go:
1. Mercedes – 1’09.202 2. Ferrari – 1’09.744 +0.54 3. Red Bull – 1’09.750 +0.55 4. Williams – 1’10.102 +0.90 5. McLaren – 1’10.476 +1.27 6. Force India – 1’10.712 +1.51 7. Haas – 1’11.188 +1.99 8. Renault – 1’11.670 +2.47 9. Sauber – 1’12.057 +2.86 10. Toro Rosso – 1’14.034 +4.83
What’s wrong with Renault?
There’s too many character in a tweet now
Ricciardo under investigation for leaving his pit box without joining the track. There’s one of the more obscure rules. Will see if I can find when someone last broke that…
Sainz was investigated for it in Canada last year, the stewards took no action when they found he’d had a technical problem:
Hilarious radio message from Verstappen, whose response is bleeped out entirely when he’s asked how his tyres are.
Hello everyone and welcome back for the second practice session for the Brazilian Grand Prix.
Hello all! Sunny and hot shouldn’t raining at this moment?
I think they mentioned a 60-90% chance of rain during FP2
Yeah the forecast was for rain to arrive a while ago. But it’s an unpredictable climate…
Has that hook-shaped resurfaced patch at Junção been commented upon in FP1? It seems to be a lot grippier than the asphalt around it, forcing the drivers to turn in a bit earlier than they normally would, by the looks of it.
Okay, “hook-shaped” isn’t really the best way to describe it, it’s more of a slight bend
Wow, Alonso really angrily kicking the McLaren furniture in the back it seems. Not that I blame him, 5 laps, and again a failure.
Stroll getting shirty with traffic.
Seems the track’s not as quick as it was before.
Everyone’s done a run on super-softs now, here’s how the teams compare:
1. Mercedes – 1’09.515 2. Red Bull – 1’09.743 +0.23 3. Ferrari – 1’09.875 +0.36 4. Force India – 1’10.306 +0.79 5. Williams – 1’10.373 +0.86 6. Renault – 1’10.396 +0.88 7. McLaren – 1’10.902 +1.39 8. Toro Rosso – 1’11.422 +1.91 9. Haas – 1’11.464 +1.95 10. Sauber – 1’11.857 +2.34
Stroll’s been complaining a lot about traffic but even so seven-tenths is a long way off his team mate at this track.
Come on Keith what the *^%#! Did Verstappen say on the +*%*• radio in the first ¥•*^%# practice?
I’m sure you can fill in the blank :-)
Yes of course, I was wondering what his problem with the tyre was. I take it was not to his liking.
Yes he was not being complimentary!
Several drivers being warned about rain now.
Has Alonso’s PU properly failed?
He’s still on track so I guess not.
Intriguing message about Ricciardo’s ‘aggressive’ new engine mode.
That’s second practice done – here’s the report and results:
Hello all and welcome to live comments for final practice. And it’s all kicking off off-track at the moment in the war of words between Toro Rosso and Renault:
“Hartley is coming he is five seconds.” Stroll: “Woah, something happened with the gear.” “Yep.” Stroll: “Something happened and I lost power completely.” “Understood.” Stroll: “What do you want me to do?” “We are checking, Lance.” Stroll: “Yeah no drive at all.” “Yeah you can jump out of the car.” Stroll: “I need someone to help me because I’m rolling backwards.” “Yeah there will be the marshals.” Stroll: “OK.” “Before leaving the car put P0 the car.” Stroll: “Yes OK copy.”
Sainz making a big balance change:
Sainz: “Yeah the car has too much front end. Something weird compared to yesterday, like the front wing.” “Understood. For now can we come up on MG and mid please?.” Sainz: “Can we do through the pit lane and do another three steps down.” “Yep we can do that.”
Is Stroll done for the day?
Is Stroll done for the day?
For the session I’d expect. And if that was a gearbox problem he may need a new one and get a penalty. But would be a surprise if he’s now back out for qualifying.
That’s a relief
Kimi looks mega quick today.
Team mate battles at the moment:
HAR -2.55s GAS WEH -0.354s ERI ALO -0.349s VAN MAG -0.256s GRO OCO -0.237s PER VER -0.111s RIC SAI -0.089s HUL RAI -0.013s VET BOT -0.003s HAM
Nice to see the Mercedes and Ferrari cars so close to each other. SAI continues to put HUL under pressure, even if Renault isn’t as good here as they wanted to be.
Vettel’s engineer warned him about Hamilton but not Perez:
“Watch for Hamilton coming fast behind, three seconds.” Vettel: “Same again you need to let me know, there was also the Force India.” “Force India out-lap.” Vettel: “Yeah OK fine but still.” OK copy.”
Alonso must feel good for a change
He’s managed to hold press in thrall about Toyota , Daytona & LeMans and now fast in FP3
Any more news on weather for quali?
Looks more likely to be dry now.
Thanks for joining in guys, here’s your final practice report and times:
Oh, rain now? Will it hang around, or what? I guess Verstappen, Ricciardo will be happy with that, but Ferrari probably won’t. Looking forward to seeing Sainz and Hulk do well with that damp track too.
From what I’ve read qualifying looks more likely to be dry now.
Well, dry, but a bit at least q1 damp then, if it is raining right now.
I just adjusted my pole time prediction for dry weather!
My pole time prediction: 1:08.530.
Prost doing a good job trying to defuse the STR/Renault situation there on Sky.
And really showing why Renault would be, in general, off much better with Prost usually being the guy speaking for them rather than Abiteboul.
Hello everyone, qualifying coming up in three-quarters of an hour, looks like Stroll’s problem is a bit more than just a broken gearbox though.
You know things have got bad when Hekmut Marko is sent in to make peace:
LOL, yes, as I said below, I thought Prost was doing an okay job, but Marko clearly got his lawyers to put out as short a thing as could be said to be appeasing with that :)
I wouldn’t be surprised if Renault insisted on an official statement too. Can’t have that line about this not being coincidence standing out there unrebuked really. But yeah Cyril is certainly not the best with relationship management
Grid penalties announced so far:
Ricciardo: 10-place grid penalty for power unit component change Hartley: 10-place grid penalty for power unit component change Gasly: 25-place grid penalty for power unit components change Stroll: Five-place grid penalty for gearbox change
Would it be a first if neither McLaren has any grid penalties this year?
Well, they didn’t have one in Australia!
Would be nice for them to finish the year with a couple of races without them too :-)
Woah Hamilton!
There go half of the perfect score options in the predictions championship
These asphalts run-offs, they don’t punish mistakes…
sprinklers!
Tbh Brazil has it perfect in lots of places, with a strip of grass just outside the white line to stop people track extending, but also having asphalt the other side to make it safer.
Well…
So can Alonso be in the top five on the grid?
No 12th pole position of the year for Hamilton then.
Stroll getting suited and booted. The stoppage helped Williams get his car sorted in time.
Is that the first time Hamilton’s crashed in qualifying since Baku last year?
Strange crash, setup issue perhaps?
pretty sure just wanting too much from the car on a cold, green-ish track there Alex
RTL Germany thought tyres too cold for the amount of power Hamilton tried to put through them in the somewhat greener circumstances.
Bottas seems to excel when Hamilton’s out of it (Russia, Monaco, Austria with the penalty). Pole here?
Quite possible, he was fast this morning too, after all.
Good morning, maybe not a great morning. NBC showing qualifying on a 12 hour delay. Live timing on the official f1 site is none too live.
did you get the info how Hamilton cut his own qualifying short?
Thanks, saw it here first while “live” timing and commentary froze for about 10 minutes.
The F1 live timing is so irritating. Don’t know why the commentary freezes like that, but the times update.
The timing finally refreshed for me, had Hamilton P2 for quite a while after his off track excursion. Commentary is still stuck at 1 minute into the session.
Pressure on Bottas to show what he can do.
Had a hard time finding qualifying. The prime US broadcaster NBCSN is not showing it on their channel. It’s on their streaming app only and they bothered not to tell anyone. I’m glad NBC will be gone next year.
And unfortunately the NBC app does not work for many including me. Signing in with legit proper credentials gives an error message 99 out of 100 times. Including just now, again. Pitiful.
I think NBCSN is showing NASCAR on their channel and infomercials on CNBC.
Wouldn’t want to interrupt their infomercial revenue stream…
Try updating Adobe, did not work for me initially, until I updated Adobe.
iPhone, no Adobe Flash. This has been a longstanding issue with the NBC sports app and ATT Uverse. They both blame each other and it will never be fixed.
Huge chance for Ferrari to land a win this weekend with Hamilton down at the back of the grid and Red Bull having set-up and engine problems.
Wouldn’t be surprised to see Kimi finish in 5-6th behind HAmilton non the less Keith!
Another tetchy exchange between Raikkonen and Dave Greenwood:
“So we are safe Kimi. We’re just concerned about the fact there’s nine minutes remaining in this session. We wouldn’t want to have to go out again. I would go lap mode push.” Raikkonen: “What do you mean?” “OK Kimi we box.” Raikkonen: “I’m boxing this lap.” “OK, box, box then.”
Meanwhile on the other side of the garage:
“We are safe but… watch for Bottas behind, two seconds.” Vettel: “Yeah got him.” And then Ocon.” Vettel: “Yeah got him as well.” “OK, track is clear.”
How many soft tyres will Ferrari still have for tomorrow after qualifying? I suspect you will need them for the expected hot track temperatures. It does not seem too smart to use them now.
Grosjean lost half his T-Wing
Is Grosjean missing a part of his T-wing, or is the team testing something new there?
And he goes 7th with it… Um
4 tenths ahead of K-Mag too.
Stroll out while Massa is 4th…
Lance was clearly overdriving the car in a really messy lap!
And Hartley in!
Kimi for pole today, win tomorrow. Heard it here first. Hey, it could happen.
It should happen
Podium of Kimi, Massa and Hulk :-)
That would be wonderful!
I would be happy with that :P
By thinking about it, you just jinxed it. ;)
Ooops…
Bottas having looking solid enough rightn now. But off course neither Ferrari did a lap yet in Q2
Another lovely lap from Massa
Can’t help but think the Williams was also capable of this kind of performance at quite a few other tracks this year.
Either Mercedes gave Massa a bit of a souped up engine for the weekend or both drivers have really been underdriving that car only too often this year. And I agree with you that it’s probably the latter.
There clearly was one driver who underperformed this year.
Well, Stroll indeed clearly didn’t get out of it what was there, 1s behind and a very scrappy lap, but yeah, I do think Massa/Williams could have done better at several tracks this year.
Williams have seemed to design their car to suit certain tracks. That then gives tham chances to be really strong. But other tracs, they seem much weaker and that was the same when Bottas was there. So I don’t think it is related to the drivers. I don’t think Massa has really been under performing this year. IMO, Massa has been rather under rated this season. He’s missed out on so many points down to bad luck.
Alonso does a great lap too. Big difference between him and Stoffel
Massa showing what he is capable of. Great performance.
Haha can we disqualify both Ferrari’s for not making it back to parc ferme and have Hamilton, vettel and Kimi start from the back :)
No comments during Q3?!
well, that turned out to be more exciting than we had expected yesterday! And tomorrow could be really good too with Hamilton and Ricciardo fighting their way up from the back, Ferrari trying to pincer Bottas and Alonso close to the action.
Okay, see you all tomorrow for a – hopefully – interesting race between Bottas and Vettel at the front, and Hamilton, Ricciardo trying to get as high up as they can. … as BasCB says. Bye!
Oops!
Hello everyone and welcome to F1 Fanatic Live for the penultimate race of 2017 (and the last one on a proper track).
We’ve got an intriguing grid with Bottas vs the Ferraris at the front, the new champion at the back and lots of unresolved business in the midfield. Enjoy the Brazilian Grand Prix!
Should be a good one. I have to work so keep me posted!
”(and the last one on a proper track).” – LOL.
does the race start at 4 PM UTC? (DST makes it a pain to simply calculate myself)
Yes, it’s 4 pm UTC, which of course, at this time of year is the same time for the entire UK.
Hope Renault have bolted their cars together properly for once so we can finally enjoy Hulkenberg versus Sainz…
Amen to that!
I’m expecting an overtaking show from Hamilton and Ricciardo.
especially since the new engine in Hamilton’s car now only needs to last two races, so I guess he’ll be able to use more of the high-power modes.
you’d surely think so, wouldn’t you!
Wonder how long Hamilton will take to make it up to sixth. Verstappen went from 16th to sixth in ten laps at COTA. But Hamilton is starting from the pits which is a bigger handicap.
For the first time all weekend the weather is doing what it was forecast to. Which is to say, it’s getting hot. Track temperatures soaring well into ‘Mercedes won’t like this’ territory…
Carmen Jorda alert…
hello from Malaysia
Hi from Berlin, Germany :)
hey Bosyber
So Alonso typically does well on lap 1. Will be watching for that.
Looking forward to him getting past Perez and Raikkonen
Brundle not really great at the gridwalk today, it seems. Interesting him trying to get an answer from Bernie, who seemingly was briefed by his lawyer on what he shouldn’t say!
Vandoorne not denying that the Honda runs out of stored energy before the end of the straight.
no use denying things now, right.
Does the Brazillian national song always sound that bad or is she having a bad day, bless her?
This is all looking a bit depressingly familiar for Ferrari.
Nothing quite like Renault admitting the RB engines are turned down because Renault can’t produce enough parts. That’s so bad.
Oh, jeez. Another Ferrari having issues on the grid. Quite high, warm, … hm. There goes their pincer movement on Bottas then
oh, just got some drink before the race, thanks for the update, missed that. Kimi I gather? Sigh. Not just Renault that has work to do to improve reliability.
Seems they has something with the telemetry, might be losing it during the race as it seems wonky. So that is not too bad then.
Ah, good, sort off
Brundle not having his day, is he. Just mistakenly mentioned it is Vettel having issues (instead of Kimi), and that grid walk was a show of missing people
HAM’s car hasn’t had a shakedown…
Hello All! :) Enjoy the race
First dnf for Ocon then
Woah SC
Massive, massive break for Hamilton. That’s everything he could have realistically hoped for.
there ends Ocon’s train of finishes
Three cars out on lap one. Looked like a silly bit of driving by Grosjean at first glance.
Lol @ Martin Brundle saying he “ran out of talent” regarding that crash
very good start from vettel
Wehrlein pitted for softs.
Poor Vandoorne squished
Magnussen not giving any space.
Both Haas were very clumsy today.
Ocon’s radio:
“If you can drive back it would be very slowly back.” Ocon: “I’m not sure I can. Should I try?” “Yes. I can’t tell what the car’s like from here. OK park it, find a safe place, turn the engine off.
Max, how are tack conditions? Verstappen – “Sunny…”
track
Timing leaderboard seems to have a glitch, very annoying
Hamilton into the top 10 by lap nine, partly thanks to and partly despite the five-lap Safety Car period.
Wonder which one of the mechanics won the sweep ☺
FOM graphics broken, Hartley’s radio broken, Raikkonen’s got telemetry problems…
Technology is great, when it works…
Hey I’m just glad F1 Fanatic is working at the moment :-)
Thank goodness!
breezing past midfield with top3 cars in basic. sums up everything wrong with F1.
The Vandoorne/Ricciardo/Magnussen collision will be investigated after the race.
I’m unreasonably irritated that Grosjean has wrecked the Force India drivers championship battle.
Lewis to be on the podium ???? Never surely?
nice pivoting camera that..
That camera doing the panning on Hamilton’s car is great.
ALO using MAS for DRS to overcome his lack of power on the straight. He’s making up time in S2 too enable that.
Can we please have some rain?
Max Verstappen’s Dad’s girlfriend’s lipstick :o
In style, when in Brazil….
Interesting battles coming up Ham, Alo, Massa
Smart move by Alonso, picking his fights.
But now he needs HAM to drag him back to MAS
Oh yes
what was that, gp2 engine or what?
Grosjean given a ten-second time penalty for causing the collision with Ocon.
yeah, that is a bit of a return to the times you’d always see someone penalized for any incident. To me, Grosjean didn’t really do anything wrong, just both he and Ocon were struggling with the car wanting to drift out in that corner
I thought it was a racing deal too
Or GRO was carrying a little too much speed for lap 1 in dirty air as he tried to stay ahead.
I really hate that they don’t show the gaps in the positions bar to the side. Makes is hard to see what is going on.
Also annoying that is seems not to update in time at all.
Also the screens say the drivers have made four pit stops as they came through the pits during the Safety Car.
That’s how crucial those laps were for Bottas – a few tenths more and he might have had that.
He doesn’t seem to be a clutch guy when it really counts
HAM P1 I assume
Ham needs to back Vettel into Bottas for a shot to win
How early do Mercedes dare bring Hamilton in? Perez has done a 32-lap stint on super-softs which would suggest they could change tyres within a few laps.
Wouldn’t you leave him out until Vettel gets too him? Back Seb up a bit?
40-45 laps i think best bet but he is going too good to stop yet…
also i would expect him to back vettel up to bot, but bot seems hopeless… vet probably not taking chances to get close to ham :)
Good point
VER and RAI are making up time on the leaders. That would keep HAM well off the podium.
I’m assuming he has to stop.
Brindle said lap 40 but I’d keep him out there. He’s kept his gap to Seb pretty good
Hamilton seems to be leading the race! I’m not sure how that happened.
Bottas is somehow managing to be slower than Hamilton, who is on the same tyre but 30 laps older.
It’s like his job is going to be backing RAI, VER up after HAM stops. There’s your conspiracy theory du jour.
Alonso radio from before Perez’s pit stop:
“We are P9. There are two cars in front yet to stop. That’s Ricciardo and Perez. You are much quicker than Perez. Both should come out behind you. How you are driving the tyres should be good to the end.” Alonso: “Yeah I would like to catch Massa to have the DRS.”
guys behind leader keeping 3 sec gaps.. hmm
Stroll and GRO – leaders are coming.
Has to be time to box 44 surely
Hartley out
The timing board is slow today
it seems to follow 1 lap behind almost
But F1 Fanatic is perfect as always
Mercedes and Red Bull clearly wary of the durability of the super-softs.
Lol 44 laps from no 44
New track record should be coming up here lol
Textbook horrible DRS pass there. Someone please stop the madness.
Exactly my thoughts.
whats wrong with time tables, damn things never update almost takes ages!
ham took 2 secs off leader in 2 laps… nice fight towards end!
Stroll is absolutely out to lunch right now! Horrible today
damn backmarkers racing lapping cars!
all live streams just died
still going strong here…
Is this a 1 stopper for the leaders
Surely Grosjean is the only person surprised he got a penalty for that.
are you kidding? :)
I didn’t think he deserved a penalty for that incident
He lost control of his car and took another driver out of the race. If you don’t get a penalty for that…
You wonder how much VET has in reserve
Curious message from Hamilton, don’t usually hear that outside of practice sessions.
missed that, what was that?
Alonso is back into Massa’s DRS range. He can’t pass him, but if he can run every one of the 15 laps within 1 second of Massa, Perez might struggle to pass Alonso… Would be quite a feat.
That was Alonso’s goal. Didn’t think he’d get there – perhaps Massa not as happy on the softs.
with gp2 engine, unlikely any further, unless massa is really struggling…
not happy on the supersofts, not happy on the softs. IS it the Williams car, the drivers, or the setup
Race positions please?
vet bot rai ver ham
vet bot rai ham now :)
rai – ham ~4 sec?
VET, BOT, RAI, HAM, VER
VET, BOT, RAI, VER, HAM (closing in on top 3), RIC, MAS, ALO, PER, HUL
ham is flying now…
I hate to say it but since they resurfaced Interlagos and changed the kerbs, the dry-weather races just don’t seem to have been as lively. Maybe it’s just because it’s coincided with the Mercedes dominance but it just feels like its lost its edge since they smoothed it out. I don’t know, maybe that’s just confirmation bias on my part.
They need to consider experimenting with not running DRS at some circuits, and Interlagos would be a good candidate.
Sad to see Hamilton pretty much only gaining positions from DRS and horsepower advantages. To be honest, that actually describes most of the passes in this race – somewhat disappointing.
And softer tyres.
and magic overtake engine mode and unobtanium in its oil mix!
8 laps left, 7 sec to leader… 2 sec to 3rd rai
rai – ham about 1.5sec?
Wow 1:11:044 from Verstappen, phenomenal
New race lap record
Lap record for Verstappen, beating Montoya’s 1’11.473 from 2004.
Top 4 on the last part of the main straight.
did Vers do 1.11.0 with old tyres or did he pit just now?
Pitted
ah thanks..
rai ham 1.1 sec, in drs range shortly
Leigh Diffey just has to yell out “Iceman” sigh
Had to endure about a half dozen “Iceman!” shoutouts at the end there by Diffey. That moniker passed its sell by date years ago. Please stop it.
Can’t see Kimi holding off the DRS pass for 3 or 4 laps
this lap kimi is gonner ???
nah, not yet…
unless kimi does mistake, ham shot his tyres…
Good job by Kimi, no mistakes
Is that Glock?
:-D
Lol
Driver of the day: Stroll (the real one: Hamilton).
I think Massa and Vettel did a very good job too – Vettel got it at the start and wasn’t in danger after, Massa did a great job the whole weekend, topping it off with a very good race, as he so often does in Brazil.
that was close..almost P3 Lewis
So rate the race, minimum is 9 surely? Action all over the smegging plave!
Place even – watching in the pub because it’s cheaper than Sky
DRS action about 99%.
have a good day all…
I’d say Hamilton has a shot at man of the race. But he blew qualifying. Let’s give it to Massa for holding on there. Alonso a very much deserved mention. And Perez a great qualifying and good race too.
And thinking about it, I think Lewis blew his chance of the podium with that lockup
I’d give it to Massa, probably DotW too, I think, maybe perez closely behind. And Vettel did all he needed to by winning the start and keeping distance in the race.
dont forget about stroll roller not giving up despite blues for so long and even closing the corners and blocking overtakes by ham! cost him about 2 sec, he had to overdrive that much to close the gap could have a better chance without that silly drive by stroller… his lockup sealed the position at the end…
thanks Keith and admins..see you guys in Abu Dhabi!
+1
Felipinho speaks English very fluently considering his age and the fact that he isn’t a native-speaker.
Thanks very much for joining in everyone! Give your verdict on the race here:
Hello everyone and welcome to F1 Fanatic Live for the first practice session for this weekend’s Brazilian Grand Prix!
Ricciardo sitting at the pit lane exit over three minutes before the session begins.
Cracking lap by Bottas – already six-tenths quicker than last year’s pole position time and within three-tenths of the track record.
Hi Keith. BBC says Bottas did that time on Softs rather than SuperSofts – is that correct? Can’t watch/listen live as I am supposedly working!
Yes he was on softs. And he is now on super-softs!
Hamilton is the first driver inside the track record time for Interlagos with a lap of 1’09.672. That’s a second quicker than last year’s pole position time.
Looks like Massa has received secret Mercedes engine mode for his last race :)
Last race in brazil
Or maybe last race full stop if Williams decide to lever him out of the cockpit and run one of their 2018 choices in Abu Dhabi.
Massa currently third, hopefully he can score a good result in his 2nd retirement and make up for last years result.
Best times by team with half an hour to go:
1. Mercedes – 1’09.202
2. Ferrari – 1’09.744 +0.54
3. Red Bull – 1’09.750 +0.55
4. Williams – 1’10.102 +0.90
5. McLaren – 1’10.476 +1.27
6. Force India – 1’10.712 +1.51
7. Haas – 1’11.188 +1.99
8. Renault – 1’11.670 +2.47
9. Sauber – 1’12.057 +2.86
10. Toro Rosso – 1’14.034 +4.83
What’s wrong with Renault?
There’s too many character in a tweet now
Ricciardo under investigation for leaving his pit box without joining the track. There’s one of the more obscure rules. Will see if I can find when someone last broke that…
Sainz was investigated for it in Canada last year, the stewards took no action when they found he’d had a technical problem:
https://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2015-f1-season/statistics/penalties-index/#inv150
Hilarious radio message from Verstappen, whose response is bleeped out entirely when he’s asked how his tyres are.
Hello everyone and welcome back for the second practice session for the Brazilian Grand Prix.
Hello all!
Sunny and hot shouldn’t raining at this moment?
I think they mentioned a 60-90% chance of rain during FP2
Yeah the forecast was for rain to arrive a while ago. But it’s an unpredictable climate…
Has that hook-shaped resurfaced patch at Junção been commented upon in FP1?
It seems to be a lot grippier than the asphalt around it, forcing the drivers to turn in a bit earlier than they normally would, by the looks of it.
Okay, “hook-shaped” isn’t really the best way to describe it, it’s more of a slight bend
Wow, Alonso really angrily kicking the McLaren furniture in the back it seems. Not that I blame him, 5 laps, and again a failure.
Stroll getting shirty with traffic.
Seems the track’s not as quick as it was before.
Everyone’s done a run on super-softs now, here’s how the teams compare:
1. Mercedes – 1’09.515
2. Red Bull – 1’09.743 +0.23
3. Ferrari – 1’09.875 +0.36
4. Force India – 1’10.306 +0.79
5. Williams – 1’10.373 +0.86
6. Renault – 1’10.396 +0.88
7. McLaren – 1’10.902 +1.39
8. Toro Rosso – 1’11.422 +1.91
9. Haas – 1’11.464 +1.95
10. Sauber – 1’11.857 +2.34
Stroll’s been complaining a lot about traffic but even so seven-tenths is a long way off his team mate at this track.
Come on Keith what the *^%#! Did Verstappen say on the +*%*• radio in the first ¥•*^%# practice?
I’m sure you can fill in the blank :-)
Yes of course, I was wondering what his problem with the tyre was. I take it was not to his liking.
Yes he was not being complimentary!
Several drivers being warned about rain now.
Has Alonso’s PU properly failed?
He’s still on track so I guess not.
Intriguing message about Ricciardo’s ‘aggressive’ new engine mode.
That’s second practice done – here’s the report and results:
https://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2017/11/10/hamilton-edges-bottas-in-second-practice/
Hello all and welcome to live comments for final practice. And it’s all kicking off off-track at the moment in the war of words between Toro Rosso and Renault:
https://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2017/11/11/toro-rosso-hits-back-renault-claims/
Stroll’s radio from his stoppage:
“Hartley is coming he is five seconds.”
Stroll: “Woah, something happened with the gear.”
“Yep.”
Stroll: “Something happened and I lost power completely.”
“Understood.”
Stroll: “What do you want me to do?”
“We are checking, Lance.”
Stroll: “Yeah no drive at all.”
“Yeah you can jump out of the car.”
Stroll: “I need someone to help me because I’m rolling backwards.”
“Yeah there will be the marshals.”
Stroll: “OK.”
“Before leaving the car put P0 the car.”
Stroll: “Yes OK copy.”
Sainz making a big balance change:
Sainz: “Yeah the car has too much front end. Something weird compared to yesterday, like the front wing.”
“Understood. For now can we come up on MG and mid please?.”
Sainz: “Can we do through the pit lane and do another three steps down.”
“Yep we can do that.”
Is Stroll done for the day?
Is Stroll done for the day?
For the session I’d expect. And if that was a gearbox problem he may need a new one and get a penalty. But would be a surprise if he’s now back out for qualifying.
That’s a relief
Kimi looks mega quick today.
Team mate battles at the moment:
HAR -2.55s GAS
WEH -0.354s ERI
ALO -0.349s VAN
MAG -0.256s GRO
OCO -0.237s PER
VER -0.111s RIC
SAI -0.089s HUL
RAI -0.013s VET
BOT -0.003s HAM
Nice to see the Mercedes and Ferrari cars so close to each other. SAI continues to put HUL under pressure, even if Renault isn’t as good here as they wanted to be.
Vettel’s engineer warned him about Hamilton but not Perez:
“Watch for Hamilton coming fast behind, three seconds.”
Vettel: “Same again you need to let me know, there was also the Force India.”
“Force India out-lap.”
Vettel: “Yeah OK fine but still.”
OK copy.”
Alonso must feel good for a change
He’s managed to hold press in thrall about Toyota , Daytona & LeMans and now fast in FP3
Any more news on weather for quali?
Looks more likely to be dry now.
Thanks for joining in guys, here’s your final practice report and times:
https://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2017/11/11/bottas-leads-close-final-practice-session/
And remember to make your predictions!
https://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/predictions/
Oh, rain now? Will it hang around, or what? I guess Verstappen, Ricciardo will be happy with that, but Ferrari probably won’t. Looking forward to seeing Sainz and Hulk do well with that damp track too.
From what I’ve read qualifying looks more likely to be dry now.
Well, dry, but a bit at least q1 damp then, if it is raining right now.
I just adjusted my pole time prediction for dry weather!
My pole time prediction: 1:08.530.
Prost doing a good job trying to defuse the STR/Renault situation there on Sky.
And really showing why Renault would be, in general, off much better with Prost usually being the guy speaking for them rather than Abiteboul.
Hello everyone, qualifying coming up in three-quarters of an hour, looks like Stroll’s problem is a bit more than just a broken gearbox though.
You know things have got bad when Hekmut Marko is sent in to make peace:
https://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2017/11/11/marko-intervenes-toro-rosso-renault-row/
LOL, yes, as I said below, I thought Prost was doing an okay job, but Marko clearly got his lawyers to put out as short a thing as could be said to be appeasing with that :)
I wouldn’t be surprised if Renault insisted on an official statement too. Can’t have that line about this not being coincidence standing out there unrebuked really. But yeah Cyril is certainly not the best with relationship management
Grid penalties announced so far:
Ricciardo: 10-place grid penalty for power unit component change
Hartley: 10-place grid penalty for power unit component change
Gasly: 25-place grid penalty for power unit components change
Stroll: Five-place grid penalty for gearbox change
Would it be a first if neither McLaren has any grid penalties this year?
Well, they didn’t have one in Australia!
Would be nice for them to finish the year with a couple of races without them too :-)
Woah Hamilton!
There go half of the perfect score options in the predictions championship
These asphalts run-offs, they don’t punish mistakes…
sprinklers!
Tbh Brazil has it perfect in lots of places, with a strip of grass just outside the white line to stop people track extending, but also having asphalt the other side to make it safer.
Well…
So can Alonso be in the top five on the grid?
No 12th pole position of the year for Hamilton then.
Stroll getting suited and booted. The stoppage helped Williams get his car sorted in time.
Is that the first time Hamilton’s crashed in qualifying since Baku last year?
Strange crash, setup issue perhaps?
pretty sure just wanting too much from the car on a cold, green-ish track there Alex
RTL Germany thought tyres too cold for the amount of power Hamilton tried to put through them in the somewhat greener circumstances.
Bottas seems to excel when Hamilton’s out of it (Russia, Monaco, Austria with the penalty). Pole here?
Quite possible, he was fast this morning too, after all.
Good morning, maybe not a great morning.
NBC showing qualifying on a 12 hour delay.
Live timing on the official f1 site is none too live.
did you get the info how Hamilton cut his own qualifying short?
Thanks, saw it here first while “live” timing and commentary froze for about 10 minutes.
The F1 live timing is so irritating. Don’t know why the commentary freezes like that, but the times update.
The timing finally refreshed for me, had Hamilton P2 for quite a while after his off track excursion. Commentary is still stuck at 1 minute into the session.
Pressure on Bottas to show what he can do.
Had a hard time finding qualifying. The prime US broadcaster NBCSN is not showing it on their channel. It’s on their streaming app only and they bothered not to tell anyone. I’m glad NBC will be gone next year.
And unfortunately the NBC app does not work for many including me. Signing in with legit proper credentials gives an error message 99 out of 100 times. Including just now, again. Pitiful.
I think NBCSN is showing NASCAR on their channel and infomercials on CNBC.
Wouldn’t want to interrupt their infomercial revenue stream…
Try updating Adobe, did not work for me initially, until I updated Adobe.
iPhone, no Adobe Flash. This has been a longstanding issue with the NBC sports app and ATT Uverse. They both blame each other and it will never be fixed.
Huge chance for Ferrari to land a win this weekend with Hamilton down at the back of the grid and Red Bull having set-up and engine problems.
Wouldn’t be surprised to see Kimi finish in 5-6th behind HAmilton non the less Keith!
Another tetchy exchange between Raikkonen and Dave Greenwood:
“So we are safe Kimi. We’re just concerned about the fact there’s nine minutes remaining in this session. We wouldn’t want to have to go out again. I would go lap mode push.”
Raikkonen: “What do you mean?”
“OK Kimi we box.”
Raikkonen: “I’m boxing this lap.”
“OK, box, box then.”
Meanwhile on the other side of the garage:
“We are safe but… watch for Bottas behind, two seconds.”
Vettel: “Yeah got him.”
And then Ocon.”
Vettel: “Yeah got him as well.”
“OK, track is clear.”
How many soft tyres will Ferrari still have for tomorrow after qualifying? I suspect you will need them for the expected hot track temperatures. It does not seem too smart to use them now.
Grosjean lost half his T-Wing
Is Grosjean missing a part of his T-wing, or is the team testing something new there?
And he goes 7th with it… Um
4 tenths ahead of K-Mag too.
Stroll out while Massa is 4th…
Lance was clearly overdriving the car in a really messy lap!
And Hartley in!
Kimi for pole today, win tomorrow.
Heard it here first.
Hey, it could happen.
It should happen
Podium of Kimi, Massa and Hulk :-)
That would be wonderful!
I would be happy with that :P
By thinking about it, you just jinxed it. ;)
Ooops…
Bottas having looking solid enough rightn now. But off course neither Ferrari did a lap yet in Q2
Another lovely lap from Massa
Can’t help but think the Williams was also capable of this kind of performance at quite a few other tracks this year.
Either Mercedes gave Massa a bit of a souped up engine for the weekend or both drivers have really been underdriving that car only too often this year. And I agree with you that it’s probably the latter.
There clearly was one driver who underperformed this year.
Well, Stroll indeed clearly didn’t get out of it what was there, 1s behind and a very scrappy lap, but yeah, I do think Massa/Williams could have done better at several tracks this year.
Williams have seemed to design their car to suit certain tracks. That then gives tham chances to be really strong. But other tracs, they seem much weaker and that was the same when Bottas was there. So I don’t think it is related to the drivers. I don’t think Massa has really been under performing this year. IMO, Massa has been rather under rated this season. He’s missed out on so many points down to bad luck.
Alonso does a great lap too. Big difference between him and Stoffel
Massa showing what he is capable of. Great performance.
Haha can we disqualify both Ferrari’s for not making it back to parc ferme and have Hamilton, vettel and Kimi start from the back :)
No comments during Q3?!
well, that turned out to be more exciting than we had expected yesterday! And tomorrow could be really good too with Hamilton and Ricciardo fighting their way up from the back, Ferrari trying to pincer Bottas and Alonso close to the action.
Okay, see you all tomorrow for a – hopefully – interesting race between Bottas and Vettel at the front, and Hamilton, Ricciardo trying to get as high up as they can. … as BasCB says. Bye!
Oops!
Hello everyone and welcome to F1 Fanatic Live for the penultimate race of 2017 (and the last one on a proper track).
We’ve got an intriguing grid with Bottas vs the Ferraris at the front, the new champion at the back and lots of unresolved business in the midfield. Enjoy the Brazilian Grand Prix!
Should be a good one. I have to work so keep me posted!
”(and the last one on a proper track).” – LOL.
does the race start at 4 PM UTC? (DST makes it a pain to simply calculate myself)
Yes, it’s 4 pm UTC, which of course, at this time of year is the same time for the entire UK.
Hope Renault have bolted their cars together properly for once so we can finally enjoy Hulkenberg versus Sainz…
Amen to that!
I’m expecting an overtaking show from Hamilton and Ricciardo.
especially since the new engine in Hamilton’s car now only needs to last two races, so I guess he’ll be able to use more of the high-power modes.
you’d surely think so, wouldn’t you!
Wonder how long Hamilton will take to make it up to sixth. Verstappen went from 16th to sixth in ten laps at COTA. But Hamilton is starting from the pits which is a bigger handicap.
For the first time all weekend the weather is doing what it was forecast to. Which is to say, it’s getting hot. Track temperatures soaring well into ‘Mercedes won’t like this’ territory…
Carmen Jorda alert…
hello from Malaysia
Hi from Berlin, Germany :)
hey Bosyber
So Alonso typically does well on lap 1. Will be watching for that.
Looking forward to him getting past Perez and Raikkonen
Brundle not really great at the gridwalk today, it seems. Interesting him trying to get an answer from Bernie, who seemingly was briefed by his lawyer on what he shouldn’t say!
Vandoorne not denying that the Honda runs out of stored energy before the end of the straight.
no use denying things now, right.
Does the Brazillian national song always sound that bad or is she having a bad day, bless her?
This is all looking a bit depressingly familiar for Ferrari.
Nothing quite like Renault admitting the RB engines are turned down because Renault can’t produce enough parts. That’s so bad.
Oh, jeez. Another Ferrari having issues on the grid. Quite high, warm, … hm. There goes their pincer movement on Bottas then
oh, just got some drink before the race, thanks for the update, missed that. Kimi I gather? Sigh. Not just Renault that has work to do to improve reliability.
Seems they has something with the telemetry, might be losing it during the race as it seems wonky. So that is not too bad then.
Ah, good, sort off
Brundle not having his day, is he. Just mistakenly mentioned it is Vettel having issues (instead of Kimi), and that grid walk was a show of missing people
HAM’s car hasn’t had a shakedown…
Hello All! :) Enjoy the race
First dnf for Ocon then
Woah SC
Massive, massive break for Hamilton. That’s everything he could have realistically hoped for.
there ends Ocon’s train of finishes
Three cars out on lap one. Looked like a silly bit of driving by Grosjean at first glance.
Lol @ Martin Brundle saying he “ran out of talent” regarding that crash
very good start from vettel
Wehrlein pitted for softs.
Poor Vandoorne squished
Magnussen not giving any space.
Both Haas were very clumsy today.
Ocon’s radio:
“If you can drive back it would be very slowly back.”
Ocon: “I’m not sure I can. Should I try?”
“Yes. I can’t tell what the car’s like from here. OK park it, find a safe place, turn the engine off.
Max, how are tack conditions?
Verstappen – “Sunny…”
track
Timing leaderboard seems to have a glitch, very annoying
Hamilton into the top 10 by lap nine, partly thanks to and partly despite the five-lap Safety Car period.
Wonder which one of the mechanics won the sweep ☺
FOM graphics broken, Hartley’s radio broken, Raikkonen’s got telemetry problems…
Technology is great, when it works…
Hey I’m just glad F1 Fanatic is working at the moment :-)
Thank goodness!
breezing past midfield with top3 cars in basic. sums up everything wrong with F1.
The Vandoorne/Ricciardo/Magnussen collision will be investigated after the race.
I’m unreasonably irritated that Grosjean has wrecked the Force India drivers championship battle.
Lewis to be on the podium ???? Never surely?
nice pivoting camera that..
That camera doing the panning on Hamilton’s car is great.
ALO using MAS for DRS to overcome his lack of power on the straight. He’s making up time in S2 too enable that.
Can we please have some rain?
Max Verstappen’s Dad’s girlfriend’s lipstick :o
In style, when in Brazil….
Interesting battles coming up Ham, Alo, Massa
Smart move by Alonso, picking his fights.
But now he needs HAM to drag him back to MAS
Oh yes
what was that, gp2 engine or what?
Grosjean given a ten-second time penalty for causing the collision with Ocon.
yeah, that is a bit of a return to the times you’d always see someone penalized for any incident. To me, Grosjean didn’t really do anything wrong, just both he and Ocon were struggling with the car wanting to drift out in that corner
I thought it was a racing deal too
Or GRO was carrying a little too much speed for lap 1 in dirty air as he tried to stay ahead.
I really hate that they don’t show the gaps in the positions bar to the side. Makes is hard to see what is going on.
Also annoying that is seems not to update in time at all.
Also the screens say the drivers have made four pit stops as they came through the pits during the Safety Car.
That’s how crucial those laps were for Bottas – a few tenths more and he might have had that.
He doesn’t seem to be a clutch guy when it really counts
HAM P1 I assume
Ham needs to back Vettel into Bottas for a shot to win
How early do Mercedes dare bring Hamilton in? Perez has done a 32-lap stint on super-softs which would suggest they could change tyres within a few laps.
Wouldn’t you leave him out until Vettel gets too him? Back Seb up a bit?
40-45 laps i think best bet but he is going too good to stop yet…
also i would expect him to back vettel up to bot, but bot seems hopeless… vet probably not taking chances to get close to ham :)
Good point
VER and RAI are making up time on the leaders. That would keep HAM well off the podium.
I’m assuming he has to stop.
Brindle said lap 40 but I’d keep him out there. He’s kept his gap to Seb pretty good
Hamilton seems to be leading the race! I’m not sure how that happened.
Bottas is somehow managing to be slower than Hamilton, who is on the same tyre but 30 laps older.
It’s like his job is going to be backing RAI, VER up after HAM stops. There’s your conspiracy theory du jour.
Alonso radio from before Perez’s pit stop:
“We are P9. There are two cars in front yet to stop. That’s Ricciardo and Perez. You are much quicker than Perez. Both should come out behind you. How you are driving the tyres should be good to the end.”
Alonso: “Yeah I would like to catch Massa to have the DRS.”
guys behind leader keeping 3 sec gaps.. hmm
Stroll and GRO – leaders are coming.
Has to be time to box 44 surely
Hartley out
The timing board is slow today
it seems to follow 1 lap behind almost
But F1 Fanatic is perfect as always
Mercedes and Red Bull clearly wary of the durability of the super-softs.
Lol 44 laps from no 44
New track record should be coming up here lol
Textbook horrible DRS pass there. Someone please stop the madness.
Exactly my thoughts.
whats wrong with time tables, damn things never update almost takes ages!
ham took 2 secs off leader in 2 laps… nice fight towards end!
Stroll is absolutely out to lunch right now! Horrible today
damn backmarkers racing lapping cars!
all live streams just died
still going strong here…
Is this a 1 stopper for the leaders
Surely Grosjean is the only person surprised he got a penalty for that.
are you kidding? :)
I didn’t think he deserved a penalty for that incident
He lost control of his car and took another driver out of the race. If you don’t get a penalty for that…
You wonder how much VET has in reserve
Curious message from Hamilton, don’t usually hear that outside of practice sessions.
missed that, what was that?
Alonso is back into Massa’s DRS range. He can’t pass him, but if he can run every one of the 15 laps within 1 second of Massa, Perez might struggle to pass Alonso… Would be quite a feat.
That was Alonso’s goal. Didn’t think he’d get there – perhaps Massa not as happy on the softs.
with gp2 engine, unlikely any further, unless massa is really struggling…
not happy on the supersofts, not happy on the softs. IS it the Williams car, the drivers, or the setup
Race positions please?
vet bot rai ver ham
vet bot rai ham now :)
rai – ham ~4 sec?
VET, BOT, RAI, HAM, VER
VET, BOT, RAI, VER, HAM (closing in on top 3), RIC, MAS, ALO, PER, HUL
ham is flying now…
I hate to say it but since they resurfaced Interlagos and changed the kerbs, the dry-weather races just don’t seem to have been as lively. Maybe it’s just because it’s coincided with the Mercedes dominance but it just feels like its lost its edge since they smoothed it out. I don’t know, maybe that’s just confirmation bias on my part.
They need to consider experimenting with not running DRS at some circuits, and Interlagos would be a good candidate.
Sad to see Hamilton pretty much only gaining positions from DRS and horsepower advantages. To be honest, that actually describes most of the passes in this race – somewhat disappointing.
And softer tyres.
and magic overtake engine mode and unobtanium in its oil mix!
8 laps left, 7 sec to leader… 2 sec to 3rd rai
rai – ham about 1.5sec?
Wow 1:11:044 from Verstappen, phenomenal
New race lap record
Lap record for Verstappen, beating Montoya’s 1’11.473 from 2004.
Top 4 on the last part of the main straight.
did Vers do 1.11.0 with old tyres or did he pit just now?
Pitted
ah thanks..
rai ham 1.1 sec, in drs range shortly
Leigh Diffey just has to yell out “Iceman”
sigh
Had to endure about a half dozen “Iceman!” shoutouts at the end there by Diffey.
That moniker passed its sell by date years ago. Please stop it.
Can’t see Kimi holding off the DRS pass for 3 or 4 laps
this lap kimi is gonner ???
nah, not yet…
unless kimi does mistake, ham shot his tyres…
Good job by Kimi, no mistakes
Is that Glock?
:-D
Lol
Driver of the day: Stroll (the real one: Hamilton).
I think Massa and Vettel did a very good job too – Vettel got it at the start and wasn’t in danger after, Massa did a great job the whole weekend, topping it off with a very good race, as he so often does in Brazil.
that was close..almost P3 Lewis
So rate the race, minimum is 9 surely? Action all over the smegging plave!
Place even – watching in the pub because it’s cheaper than Sky
DRS action about 99%.
have a good day all…
I’d say Hamilton has a shot at man of the race. But he blew qualifying. Let’s give it to Massa for holding on there. Alonso a very much deserved mention. And Perez a great qualifying and good race too.
And thinking about it, I think Lewis blew his chance of the podium with that lockup
I’d give it to Massa, probably DotW too, I think, maybe perez closely behind. And Vettel did all he needed to by winning the start and keeping distance in the race.
dont forget about stroll roller not giving up despite blues for so long and even closing the corners and blocking overtakes by ham! cost him about 2 sec, he had to overdrive that much to close the gap could have a better chance without that silly drive by stroller… his lockup sealed the position at the end…
thanks Keith and admins..see you guys in Abu Dhabi!
+1
Felipinho speaks English very fluently considering his age and the fact that he isn’t a native-speaker.
Thanks very much for joining in everyone! Give your verdict on the race here:
https://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2017/11/12/rate-race-2017-brazilian-grand-prix/
Wait, why didn’t they have Barrichello do the whole podium?
Good day everyone, have a good evening/day.