Sergio Perez's grid kid, Force India, Albert Park, 2018

Replacing grid girls “a bit of a shame” – Perez

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In the round-up: Sergio Perez and Brendon Hartley give their views on Formula One Management’s decision to replace grid girls with grid kids.

Speaking before last week’s race Perez said he was disappointed by the change:

Yeah that’s a bit of a shame really. I think that was some identity that Formula One had, all the history. But let’s see what other ideas they bring.

Brendon Hartley was also asked for his view on grid girls being replaced and his thoughts on the Halo:

Halo is definitely not very pleasing on the eyes but inside the car we don’t see it at all, it’s completely invisible. And we know why it’s there, it’s for safety. Already now it’s starting to become more normal. I think any time there’s a rule change in Formula One it takes a while for the fans and everybody to get used to it.

In terms of grid girls I don’t know what I should comment. I just got married, they were also invisible for me, let’s say, like the Halo.

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More concern over their extent of power unit management drivers are having to do:

Isn’t anyone appalled by the fact that we have a team showing concerns over “excessive” use of a power unit in a particular mode during practice?

If we’re going to have teams limiting power unit use in race one where are we going to be after two or three races?

Teams will elect to not bother with practice one at all and possibly practice two just to protect their precious power units because with only three for a season, they daren’t risk them.

I predicted before the season started that we’d see some really odd outcomes because of team concerns with power units but Williams have made that a reality from race one.

They “say” they made a mistake, something that seems to happen all too often at Williams, but I suspect that the outcome is just a sign of things to come.
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79 comments on “Replacing grid girls “a bit of a shame” – Perez”

  1. Rather than having any nail biting conclusions, I think a lot of the races will end in a dead rubber because teams don’t want to risk their precious power units.
    Both Red Bulls gave up due to this, at race one no less.
    This surely means that qualifying position is more important now than it used to be.

    1. And the Mercedes gave up due to it too, and they’re always the most reliable… Worrying signs.

      1. Even more saddening is that fact the hypersofts will only be used in 15-20% of the races. So people will just use the softs and SS and wait for SC-like shenanigans as they can be run for ~30 laps.
        If you want to aid overtaking or tension, give the teams free tyres choices. Leave DRS open all the time. Lower the pit lane-speed, widen corners on start-finish straights. There are enough small changes teams can get immediately that would work. (apart from Monaco)

        The only thing stopping it is the fact modern day people are way too spoiled to actually protest something with other means apart from social media and just keep paying whatever is shoved at them.

    2. Anthony Vertue
      1st April 2018, 17:44

      I like the solution of getting rid of engine modes altogether – one for the entire weekend…

      1. Anthony Vertue
        I disagree. Removing the engineering modes would rob the sports 2 leading teams on an innovative extra boost during qualifying. The question here is why Renault have still not made their version of it despite 4 years of the V6 hybrid era.

      2. Guybrush Threepwood
        1st April 2018, 22:03

        Absolutely. This should be a no-brainer if F1 is serious about the efficiency of it’s engines. How can an engine be efficient if it is consuming almost 2 litres of oil over only 190 miles!?

    3. I think that the concerns they have will be to a large extent because of this being the first race in a long season with newly tuned engines that they still do not have as much real life data on as they will have in a few more races @yoshif8tures, @hugh11, @xiasitlo, much like we saw all the teams being extra cautious in Bahrain 2010 (because of being full of fuel at the start) and then heard many of the drivers saying that their tyres could have lasted much longer, and starting to fine tune how much fuel they really needed.

      Also, the first races of the season everyone is carefull not to have to waste parts, as they often have no spares at all, or have to fly them in from Europe because of production lead times.

  2. I am also worried about the engine situation. Overtaking is harder this year apparently, so you’ve got to try even harder to make a pass, that means stressing the engine even more in an attempt to force the leader into a mistake or to be close enough to make a move… but if engine life is already something to worry about, why would anyone risk losing an engine earlier than expected over attempting an overtake manouvre? it’s hard enough to get an opportunity to pass, let alone making it stick and gaining the position (and points) you want…

    I think the 3 engine per season rule went way too far…

    1. Ferrari no. 65
      We can thank Red Bull for this. When they started complaining about the cost of these power units, what did they thing was going to happen. That Mercedes, Ferrari, or Renault were going to supply power units at a loss? There was only ever going to be 1 way to reduce the cost of supplying these power units. Cut the number of units over the season, and ramp up reliability, which is what we have this season.

      1. @bonbonjai As far as I remember, the only reason why Red Bull complained about the cost was the fact that they had to pay +20 million dollars for arguably the worst PU in the history of F1. It had nothing to do with the actual cost, it had everything to do with the crap they received. So if any team is to blame, it is Renault. (It were Williams/FI who made a bit of fuzz about the costs of the current PU’s being to high compared to previous years.)

        1. Then you remember wrongly Eddie. Red Bull started complaining long before they even knew their engines were not great (at the time it was not Red Bull paying for them anyway), because they expected the stronger role of the engine to hurt their dominance through aerodynamics, much as everyone (apart from many of the RB/Vettel fans) hoped it would.

    2. On the other hand @fer-no65, it could also over the season offer oppertunities where someone with a newer engine can push an opponent who has more worries about their engine life to lose a position (or drop out with a blown engine). Remember, in the past there were enough cars driven with a single or 2 engines or the season or even several seasons. The likes of Clark, Fangio, Brabham, McLaren, Rindt etc all learned to deal with managing the weaknesses of their equipment.

      Hamilton only gave up after pushing Vettel for quite a while in the race, where he just could not get a good shot at an overtake. He knows (and his team know) he will get another chance next weekend, and the race thereafter. And Verstappen, Ricciardo and Alonso showed that they are racers, pushing for that overtake or to stay ahead anyway.
      Especially Verstappen would probably have been the wiser to just be calm, fall back from the Haas, wait for the stops, but he didn’t. And Lewis also really pushed to have a go, he was not just sitting there waiting for the race to end until the last few laps. Ricciardo only gave up on getting past Kimi and Verstappen only settled behind Alonso after trying very hard.

      I must say that I had a really good time watching the race. The cars are seriously fast, the top three is closer than it has been, it was good to see Magnussen get a good run, we had upsets (double for Haas, and Verstappen right at the start when he was passed), we saw McLaren having a double finish in Australia, we felt sorry for the likes of Haas and the STR guys and more. The mic pick up engine sounds better. And the new on screen information is an improvement IMO. The F1 season is back, and we have 20 more races to look forward to.

  3. What happened to the driver banners that the Grid Girls used to carry and hold on the grid? The lack of banners made me notice the missing girls more than anything else.

    1. Someone probably felt that they were offensive to banners, so they were removed.

  4. Why do the drivers feel it necessary to try and make their comments regarding grid girls mean something more than they liked looking at attractive girls in at times revealing clothes. It wasn’t, or at least shouldn’t have been core component of the identity of F1 or even the automotive industry in general, just an embarrassing relic of the past which only highlighted the series inability to grip the zeitgeist.

    1. Most probably to give a journalist a better answer than “no comment”

  5. I feel like l live in a safer world now that Liberty has dumped the grid girls. Thank you Liberty for making Formula One free of beautiful young grid girls. I know im gunna sleep better tonight

    1. Looking back at the grid girl decision it’s weird how so many people wanted the ban (for lack of a better word) because they thought it was sexist against women when in fact women, who were more than happy to do it, were beating men to the jobs – grid guys weren’t popular – and comments like ‘tarty nonsense’ were applauded by those who wanted them gone.

      Having said that, unfortunately the decision is made and while it would be nice to stand up to it I think it bought out the worst in fans over an issue that has no bearing on the racing.

      1. @glynh, the responses from both sides could be pretty hysterical – I mean, we’re getting an example of it below with people calling it “child exploitation” – for a change that rather makes a mockery of those who profess that they are “only in it for the racing”.

        1. Agreed anon, unfortunately any sensible debate ended with stuff like that and the constant pc gone mad and caveman comments whenever someone had a different opinion. The Internet can be a wonderful place…

  6. OmarRoncal - Go Seb!!! (@)
    1st April 2018, 3:54

    If Liberty made such a fuss for the grid girls, it should now clarify who the grid kids are. Are they top students who deserve to be there for their good scores? Are their last names, just for a coincidence, Carey, Stroll or Todt? How are they going to protect the grid kids from being “objectified”? Are they at least paid for being there, or we can name this “child exploitation”?

    I’m doing the same, making a fuss out of nothing, I know.

    1. Bro leave the kids out of it. Its not like they had any say in this debacle and your comment is in poor taste.

    2. The FIA already clarified the medium-term plan: it will be young karters in local racing series. However, I do not think that was put into place in time for Australia, so I don’t know how that specific race’s selection was done.

      It appears Australia avoided objectification by having them wear regular clothing, and I don’t know whether they were paid or if it was simply granted as a free bonus on top of race weekend tickets.

      1. The 40 kids selected at the Australian Grand prix were all up and coming Australian Go Karting competitors from across the country, selected by Karting Australia and CAMS.
        They got more than just stand in front of the cars, they got to spend time with the F1 Drivers before the race and other behind the scene experiences. They got to stand with the drivers for the Anthem on International TV
        They were there because they love motor sports. Tell me not none of you would have loved to have had that experience.

        Get over the grid girls they brought nothing to the sport nor did they do anything to encourage kids to become active in motorsports.

        1. @theodorium Good to hear. That’s exactly what I was hoping for. Connecting the youth to F1, and making it more accessible.

        2. Thanks for the details! I’d have loved to be there as a kid!

        3. Sounds like this is exactly what a sport that tries to grow a fan base and support up and coming racers’ development needs @theoddkiwi!
          Thanks for giving the details, looks like Australia gave us exactly what this “grid kids” idea is about!

  7. Music to my ears, Ross, music to my ears!!

  8. Vettel fan 17 (@)
    1st April 2018, 4:34

    Yeesh, when is everyone going to get over the fact that grid girls are gone?

    1. @vettelfan17 Surely before bed.

      @angelicdarkness Ironic, your username is a paradox, yet you can’t understand that the girls were doing no wrong, their job just didn’t make sense at all, like 20 cars lapping around a track does. Life doesn’t make sense, doesn’t have to, not even in the after life, @haloeddevil.

    2. It appears the “grid girls” questions were asked before the race weekend, which at this juncture is already threatening to be stale, so the answer to that is probably “next weekend, when race 2 starts and flies start hovering over the topic…”

    3. @vettelfan17 When question-posing journalists do I’d guess

  9. angelic (@angelicdarkness)
    1st April 2018, 5:14

    I come here for the racing and having scantily clad women who get paid for only standing with a smile on their make up coated faces at every race doesnt have any impact on it at all. I say good riddance to bad rubbish!

    1. Scantily clad Grid girls covered in make-up still exist, they were there at Melbourne, just that they are ‘privateers’ now. You also see them in the stands trying to get attention from the race directors.

    2. They were rarely scantily clad! Another nonsense that continues to be spouted.

  10. Regarding the Autosport-article: Good to know, and hopefully, something will indeed be done over the next three years to make following easier. All that really needs to be done to make following another car closely easier is to shift from a predominantly wing-dominant downforce (and or simplify the wings) to a less clean air-dependent method of producing the DF. The amount of downforce isn’t the problem, but how it’s generated.
    – Regarding the COTD: I think it’s a bit too early to jump to definite conclusions on the 3-engine rule. I don’t really mind too much if it affects practice-running to some extent and I also still think the thing concerning Williams in the last race was just an error rather than a ‘sign of things to come.’

  11. No one mentioned Billy yet? Third in his first race with different controls?

    That’s pretty special, if you ask me.

    1. If the (brilliant) exclusive interview yesterday is anything to go by, I’m guessing that i’s so special it may get its own article. Possibly on Monday evening or Tuesday, when Billy’s performances in Races 2 and 3 of the weekend are known.

  12. Hamilton Vettel swap anybody?

    1. No thanks :)

  13. On friday I talked to a grid girl.. Former grid girl now. She workes as HR in our company and she used to supplement her income as a model at car shows, fairs and racing events. She would earn 3-4 extra salleries for about 2-3 weeks work per year. She is devestated by this choice. Large part of her income is gone, but not just income also all expense paif traveling around the world, meeting famous people etc.

    Good job feminists, taking care of them women who could profit from their beauty.

    But there is other side aswell I am certain car shows are happy to pay less for organising events.

    1. @jureo, I spoke to a few grid girls, as I owned a modelling agency organising those jobs for them.
      As much as they liked the glamour of the grid girl position. They liked the other representation jobs around the race more: more freedom to interact with customers and better pay.
      Those jobs still exist (we think there will be more opportunities now).

    2. @jureo, How many grid girls were affected by this ban?

      Here’s one irrelevant experience, I’m one of the owners of a tiny apparel company and we needed to do marketing on a few new line of products. Now, with clothes like tees and polos it was really hard not to think of getting young and physically attractive women from a reputable modeling agency. But we ended up running the campaign by featuring pictures of random customers who bought those apparels.

    3. @Jureo
      I just talked to my wife, who grew up in an age were she had to actually quit her job when she married me, about our daughter, who grew up in a different age and has become a succesfull neurologist. Thank you feminists for making the world a better place for woman to live in.

  14. I trust that brawn is willing to do the full research to figure out a good package. I’m sure brawn can come up with some excellent ideas and he can create a process that is based on actual technical data instead of gut feelings like all previous tech rule changes. But I’m already a bit prepared for the fact that any technical rules that make the racing better will be met with solid resistance from the ferrari and mercedes with some other teams like mclaren and red bull and even renault being against it.

    F1 is a sport where bad decisions are made while everybody knows it will lead to bad situations (adding insane amounts of downforce makes the racing worse, everybody knew it). And then those that happen to find themselves in the sharp end of the grid will fight to tooth and nail when the time for the next technical rules change comes. Any good ideas are always watered down and compromised by endless lobbying and bickering and the teams in power will always care about nothing except staying in the lead.

    Brawn will have a hell of a time trying to get any rule changes through. The sad thing is 2021 could be too late for even a fully technical solution based on brawn’s findings. A watered down pro-mercedes-ferrari 2021 package looks more and more like a reality because those teams have too much power. There are only two seasons plus this season before 2021 season starts. Time to make any engine changes is quickly running out. What ever ideas brawn has he needs to start fighting the good fight early. He has a lots of things to change and lots of big and small changes to push through and the top teams will fight him every step of the way so they stay in the top.

    1. @socksolid ”(adding insane amounts of downforce makes the racing worse, everybody knew it).”
      – How many times it has to be stated that the amount of downforce isn’t the problem, but how it’s generated, LOL.

      1. I think Brawn could propose front-wing spec and ‘furnitures’ ban as early as 2019. I don’t know how other teams might react but surely RedBull will oppose that.

        1. That and more narrow tires (less wide cars, lower cornering speeds, more braking needed) would be the easiest to implement, I guess.

      2. You are your lols. I’m guessing you don’t even know that about half of the downforce current f1 cars generate comes from the floor which is ground effects. And your solution would be to increase that number, I’m sure.

        Downforce and how it is created is a lot more complex than your lols. Even if the cars were changed so that most of the downforce came from ground effects using the floor (front wing also generates a ground effect because it is so low in the car) you’d still have some issues. Like when the car behind drives in dirty air his ground effects generate less downforce because his ride height is higher because he has less downforce pushing the car down.

        Ground effects is more efficient way of creating downforce than wings but efficiency simply means it can move move air for smaller penalty. In other words it can create more dirty air with smaller amount of drag. The dirty air from the rear wing for example creates a wake that is so high that it goes over the car behind. But the wake from the floor and front wing hits the car coming behind dead on.

        F1 has one huge issue with the downforce. Too much. It is not possible to create downforce without creating dirty air. When you create dirty air you are always taking away downforce from the guy behind. Main thing to do is to reduce downforce and then look at making the car less sensitive to dirty air (say bigger and fewer wing elements).

        You and your lol…

    2. @socksolid I think the picture you are portraying has more to do with the way it was under BE, than the way it will be going forward. If BE was still in charge and Brawn was not on the scene in the role he has, then I would probably be as pessimistic as you are being. But I truly think this is a new chapter and a big exciting new chapter at that.

      Of course we have heard the threats from Ferrari, and many think Mercedes are in the same camp as them, and that is just natural. They’re posturing. But Brawn has already said that these two teams and F1 and Liberty are not that far apart. In other words, I just don’t picture the ‘fighting tooth and nail’ you portray.

      I think you are assuming Ferrari and Mercedes think F1 is healthy enough and want the status quo, but I’m not convinced of that. Let’s say Mercedes continues to dominate, even if by a smaller margin, but you still just can’t pass in dirty air. Why would Ferrari agree to rules that would ensure they will never get past Mercedes on the track? Surely they can see value in changing regs to deal with this.

      Anyway, BE is gone, and I envision the ‘fight’ you speak of moreso as being meaningful discussions and compromises that will see an F1 that is better for everyone…all the teams, not just the resourced ones, and the fans. There is what the big teams have been allowed to do under BE, and then there is what the teams will have to do under Liberty once all have had their fair chance to contribute ideas and improve the entity.

      1. The situation we have now is directly bernie’s fault. He created the strategy group which is essentially the top 5 teams (plus the best next one which was added later I think). That group is where brawn is doing his battles. And brawn has already started his work there:

        One of bernie’s tricks was to divide and conquer. Create situations where the teams fight each other so bernie can then pick the side he agrees with and make deals with them and everybody else then needs to follow suit or be left behind. That’s how the strategy group came about. The issue is that bernie went and created something that eventually had more power than himself. Of course bernie was part of the problem but putting the top manufacturers in control is equally bad. So while bernie is gone his decisions are still very much fully visible in f1 about who is in control. He may be gone but his policies are still going on. Liberty’s hands are very much tied.

        And I don’t think mercedes or ferrari care about dirty air at all. They care about keeping their advantage and if that means keeping these high downforce high dirty air cars then they’ll fight for that. Just like they have done with the engines:

        Although it is not a perfect solution from brawn either as he wants to increase the amount of fuel saving by “Intention to investigate tighter fuel regulations and limits on number of fuels used”:

        1. @socksolid I am aware of the articles you have cited, and I suggest that these were from 6 months to a year ago, and don’t entirely represent where they are now. You can read between the lines that this is a work in progress as they discuss the future, but Liberty/Brawn certainly have a vision, a tweekable one, as to what they would like to see. In the one article where Brawn was ‘a little shocked’ at the teams’ response to the engine proposal, he also says they are all in favour of huge chunks of the proposals, just not necessarily the same chunks, and also that the teams are welcome to come up with constructive ideas that might also help Liberty get to where they want to take F1. In other words them just saying we don’t like it, and hoping that means they won’t change the pus, and leave it at that, isn’t going to fly. I also believe that now that all the teams are being included, and even if Sauber for example still felt they are only included as observers but with still no say, Brawn would have open ears to any constructive ideas they might have as to help get F1 where Liberty wants to take it.

          Liberty’s hands are tied in the sense of some contracts needing to run their course, and in the sense that they aren’t going to do the BE thing of knee-jerk decisions and make sudden changes to the cars that only favour those who can adapt quicker, but I have no sense that their hands are tied from changing F1 as they see fit, over the next 3 years, as they look past current agreements.

          I still say you are taking these articles and setting the information from them in stone and making it seem like nothing is going to change from the BE era, and I simply do not have the same sense from everything Brawn has said. And, even once they decide on the technical regs (engines/pus first and soon, then aero tweeks coming later but now perhaps starting sooner than 2021) it will always be a work in progress in F1. I’m not about to heap the pressure on Liberty to get it perfect the minute they really have their twist in the plot in play, because there is no such thing as a perfect solution that is going to please everyone. But I sure am confident they can make vast improvements and will.

          1. I don’t necessarily disagree with you. However I am bit more pessimistic about it. Just the sheer logistics of how the strategy group and f1 commission works already means 40% of the teams are outside of the decision making process.

  15. ‘Rich Grid Kids’

    1. No, nothing to do with money, they were chosen by Karting Australia and CAMS from across the country

  16. Grid kids is a good idea, too many creepy, unsavory types that employ grid girls, its an easy decision. Liberty severed any liability while also promoting family.

    1. I agree.

    2. @alebelly

      family friendly, should we then have a dress code for those women who dress exactly like grid girls but are paying for tickets to pose around the paddock and grandstands in hope of getting on TV? Italian and Brasilian F1 supporting women tend to wear tops that are 3 sizes too small.
      Or we could perhaps fit blinkers to the grid kids and familes.

      1. fans can do whatever, show up naked for all I care, but when you have a product that is globally perceived, F1 has an on-track responsibility to make it viewer accessible, regardless of past innuendo. Grid kids may seem silly, but grid girls are a 3rd party they no longer have to deal with. I think I would like to see this sport whittled down a bit, the glitz and the glam maybe take a 5 minute break. Grid kids are fine.

  17. F1’s passing ‘force field’ already being addressed – Ross Brawn

    By Adam Cooper
    Published on Saturday March 31st 2018

    So not the 1st of April then. Good, I guess?

    1. @davidnotcoulthard It’s all good news. Some teams might not like it, though. When the mechanical grip is more important than aero, Hass procurement system will benefit more.

  18. Interestingly, last week during the PDC’s European Darts Open, and this weekends German Darts Grandprix, the walk on girls are still doing their thing. So i guess the PDC only got rid of them for the major televised events (these european tournaments are only streamed via the PDC’s website – so i guess they really aren’t against the concept.)

  19. The grid girls didn’t need to go, its the whole world being PC mad. Then you have a Grands Prix is Australia (or any major event really) and the whole place is mad with OH&S. I would love to hear from any F1 fans that have been to Australia than any other overseas race and compare the two. Its embarrassing as an Aussie really- I have been to 5 overseas countries to see GP’s and seen none of how the Aussie staff & security act.

    Helmut Marko doing his normal thing in talking and hoping someone will listen and believe him. Only one person seems to……………

    1. The whole world gone PC mad….such PC comments from a PC person. Let me guess, you’re a male right wing leaning conservative sprouting PC comments for your PC buddies on the internet?

      1. LOL – you couldn’t be more wrong Eddie, but thanks for trying to box me! I am the least PC person on the planet, but that’s for playing- take a prize and move on elsewhere- quickly!

        Your comment ” such PC comments from a PC person. Let me guess, you’re a male right wing leaning conservative sprouting PC comments for your PC buddies on the internet?”
        Yes I am male- WOW – what a guess on an F1 sight, are you John Edwards?? I wont discuss my politics as its not allowed…… and no-one cares- its an F1 site!

        As for my “PC buddies on the internet”- SO much more funny. My mates are not PC either- we hate Bookface and Twitter- I got on this site only to get some travel tips to get to Suzuka in 2012- it was so helpful I do the same and helps others- I have been to a few races and help others with travel tips. I enjoy that.

        Then sometimes we get people like you ………… off you go tiger…….

    2. @garns Yes, calling Marko “king of straight talk” has to be the biggest self-contradiction ever. Everything he says is either “spin” or a flat out lie.

  20. But far more importantly congratulations to Billy Monger for a great P3! What a warrior that young man is!!!

    1. It was great to read him be back in a car in competitive event and see him do that well!

  21. Formula One is this amazing spectacle, a smorgasbord of sights and sounds and it has been a true pleasure over the years. But at the same time some rule changes end up being so quickly installed and when proven less than desirable then become next to impossible to remove. How is this ?? Example DRS. On the opposite side Grid Girls. The world isnt better, isnt safer nor is it more dangerous with Grid Girls. Have a reality check. Liberty wants to build the fan base then listen better to the fans. We want fast cars that are noisy and seeing grid girls from all the nations doing their thing is as much of Formula One as the Checkered Flag. To be concerned about Grid Girls is such nonsense

    1. And yet, by so frequently bringing up the topic of grid girls in order to moan about the change, you seem blind to the irony that you are demonstrating exactly the sort of behaviour yourself that you are criticising in others.

      1. Blame it on Perez Anon, he brought it up again.

  22. @keithcollantine, I am really missing the post race graphs of positions, lap-times and gaps to the winner. Are you not planning on doing these anymore?

  23. Men watching F1 telling here themselves whatever makes them sleep at night regarding grid girls. Good riddance for one thing, but it’s also excellent for the kids replacing them.


  25. Grid Girls were the least of F1’s image problem. Liberty should ban Cara DeLevigne, Justin Bieber, Lindsey Vonn, and all the other “celebrities” Lewis Hamilton brings on race day.

  26. joe pineapples
    2nd April 2018, 13:56

    In terms of grid girls I don’t know what I should comment. I just got married, they were also invisible for me, let’s say, like the Halo.

    Whose he trying to kid (besides his wife), or is he wearing that Halo loud and proud ;)

  27. “Chip, in the 21st century men will pretend to take offense at the sight of pretty women; and by eliminating the possibility for said pretty women to be paid to do nothing more than stand around and be pretty women (by their own free will), a great oppression will be lifted.”

  28. Starting to get a bit worried over Ross Brawn. In the interview he clearly states all the obvious only. All of his comments could have been made by you or me. Generics only. No real plans nor information. Typically British window dressing, while in the back limited things are going on with an absurd long time-line? Or are Liberty’s hands just tied by Bernies still running contracts? I mean, how difficult can it be to tweak these cars in season so that at the very very very least they will be able to closely follow eachother. I mean, what is the point of racing if this is not addressed? I would seriously consider postponing or cancelling races until this is addressed. Show that you are leaders please.

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