I’m at Jerez for the first day of this week’s four-day test session. Join us as we follow the test live which today will include the unveiling of the Red Bull RB6.
Testing times and total laps
Times from today’s test
Driver | Car | Best time | Laps | Difference |
Nico Rosberg | Mercedes W01 | 80.927 | 57 | 0 |
Sebastien Buemi | Toro Rosso-Ferrari STR5 | 81.031 | 84 | 0.104 |
Nico Hulkenberg | Williams-Cosworth FW32 | 82.243 | 118 | 1.316 |
Fernando Alonso | Ferrari F10 | 82.895 | 88 | 1.968 |
Kamui Kobayashi | BMW Sauber-Ferrari C29 | 83.287 | 55 | 2.36 |
Jenson Button | McLaren-Mercedes MP4-25 | 84.947 | 68 | 4.02 |
Vitantonio Liuzzi | Force India-Mercedes VJM03 | 84.968 | 71 | 4.041 |
Vitaly Petrov | Renault R30 | 85.44 | 27 | 4.513 |
Mark Webber | Red Bull-Renault RB6 | 86.502 | 50 | 5.575 |
Timo Glock | Virgin-Cosworth VR-01 | 98.734 | 5 | 17.807 |
Distance covered so far (all tests)
Driver | Total laps | Total distance (km) |
Nico Hulkenberg | 244 | 1027.134 |
Felipe Massa | 226 | 905.13 |
Fernando Alonso | 215 | 898.299 |
Nico Rosberg | 215 | 885.186 |
Sebastien Buemi | 209 | 872.577 |
Robert Kubica | 188 | 752.94 |
Rubens Barrichello | 177 | 708.885 |
Jenson Button | 150 | 629.514 |
Kamui Kobayashi | 151 | 628.02 |
Pedro de la Rosa | 154 | 616.77 |
Michael Schumacher | 122 | 488.61 |
Lewis Hamilton | 108 | 432.54 |
Vitaly Petrov | 102 | 419.931 |
Jaime Alguersuari | 97 | 388.485 |
Gary Paffett | 86 | 344.43 |
Vitantonio Liuzzi | 71 | 314.388 |
Mark Webber | 50 | 221.4 |
Timo Glock | 5 | 22.14 |
Model | Total laps | Total distance (km) |
F10 | 441 | 1803.429 |
FW32 | 421 | 1736.019 |
MP4-25 | 344 | 1406.484 |
W01 | 337 | 1373.796 |
STR5 | 306 | 1261.062 |
C29 | 305 | 1244.79 |
R30 | 290 | 1172.871 |
VJM03 | 71 | 314.388 |
RB6 | 50 | 221.4 |
VR-01 | 5 | 22.14 |
Engine | Total laps | Total distance (km) |
Ferrari | 1052 | 4309.281 |
Mercedes | 752 | 3094.668 |
Cosworth | 426 | 1758.159 |
Renault | 340 | 1394.271 |
Testing notes
As well as the debut of the RB6 today we will see the Force India VJM03 and Virgin VR-01 in action for the first time.
Along with the seven teams from the first test that means ten cars will be on-track over the next four days. Unfortunately bad weather is expected to interfere with the running, with rain forecast for Wednesday, Friday and Saturday.
For details on the amount of running done by each driver and car prior to this test, see the Valencia test round-up.
Today’s testing line-up
McLaren MP4-25 – Jenson Button
Mercedes W01 – Nico Rosberg
Red Bull RB6 – Mark Webber
Ferrari F10 – Fernando Alonso
Williams FW32 – Nico Hulkenberg
BMW Sauber C29 – Kamui Kobayashi
Renault R30 – Vitaly Petrov
Force India VJM03 Vitantonio Liuzzi
Toro Rosso STR5 – Sebastien Buemi
Virgin VR-01 – Timo Glock
The track: Circuito do Jerez
The teams are testing at the Circuito de Jerez, formerly the home of the Spanish (1986-1990) and European Grands Prix (1994 and 1997):
Eight of this year’s pre-season test days will take place at this circuit. The teams last tested here during the young driver training days in December. On that occasion Daniel Ricciardo set the fastest time for Red Bull with a 1’17.418.
Tweets from the test
Here’s the ten latest Tweets from people at the track, including me:
If you would like to suggest a Twitter feed to add to the list, please suggest one in the comments. The list only updates when this page is refreshed.
2010 F1 testing
anon
10th February 2010, 7:35
let the games begin!!!
ap
10th February 2010, 7:57
RB6
http://www.redbullracing.com/cs/RedBull/RBImages/000/000/237/521/photo610x343a/Shot_3_LR_V1_FLAT_SHAD.jpg
http://www.ausmotive.com/F1/2010/RBR-RB6-teaser-04.jpg
ap
10th February 2010, 8:02
looks like they have gone back to a more conventional rear suspension package…no more pull rod. But it’s hard to tell from the pics
epi
10th February 2010, 12:42
I think it is a pullrod still
http://www.racecar-engineering.com/news/opinion/442030/adrian-newey-q-a.html
Newey quote;
“As such, the car looks similar with elements such as the chassis and pull-rod rear suspension retained.”
Nick Somebody
10th February 2010, 7:38
exciting. more testing and new cars. :-)
still no live feed though. :-(
Keith, If only you had access to
A) a wireless connection a laptop, a small camera, and had an account with Justin.tv / Livestream / Ustream you could be live streaming the Red Bull launch and the testing.
B) a smart 3G phone, an account with Justin.tv / Livestream / Ustream you could be live streaming the Red Bull launch and the testing.
…anyway have fun at the test.
Keith Collantine (@keithcollantine)
10th February 2010, 9:19
Even if I had all that (and there’s no wireless at the track) you can only film at tests if you have a broadcasting deal with FOM :-(
Nick Somebody
10th February 2010, 9:29
damn. That’s a shame.
They should relax a bit on some of these rules. They should at least allow fans to post a few clips on Youtube. FOM is very quick to remove stuff.
RandomChimp
10th February 2010, 12:25
…Which means less ad exposure for teams… How can FOM’s draconian attitudes be helping Formula One? Maybe I’m oversimplifying things.
Scribe
10th February 2010, 12:52
On the whole its not that complicated, sure keep your hold of racing but testing?
that doesn’t make sense. especially as they’re not filming it.
K
10th February 2010, 13:54
Surely you can film for private use?
Did you read about that Australian dude who challenged FOM in court over his Youtube films of an F1 race? He won.
http://indolentdandy.net/fitzroyalty/2009/04/27/i-fought-formula-1-management-and-i-won/
Red Andy
10th February 2010, 14:41
K, you can film for private use but putting your videos onto a website is no longer private use, it’s “broadcasting,” which is prohibited. It’s right there on every ticket.
On the Australian guy, I think that his claim to have “won” that particular case is suspect. He simply submitted a counter-claim to YouTube, who reinstated his videos after FOM did not respond to their inquiries. Honestly, I’m not familiar enough with the relevant laws to know whether his case would stand up in a court of law. But surely FOM and the race promoters have the right to set whatever entry conditions they wish.
K
10th February 2010, 15:39
Within the relevant laws yes.
This is his argument:
ivz
10th February 2010, 7:45
How long before the RB6 is unveiled?
Catalina :)
10th February 2010, 7:47
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/81366
Scarbs says that its an evolution of RB5, not more than that
We@sel
10th February 2010, 7:48
http://www.redbullracing.com/cs/Satellite/en_INT/Gallery/First-Shots-Of-The-2010-Red-Bull-Racing-Challenger/The-aggressive-front-three-quarter-shot-021242814476884?p=1242814559600&GImageId=1242814476462
Catalina :)
10th February 2010, 7:48
http://www.redbullracing.com/cs/Satellite/en_INT/Red-Bull-Racing-2010/001242814559600
double post, sorry
anon
10th February 2010, 7:51
When does testing begin?? At what time??
rabbit
10th February 2010, 7:55
@ Catalina :) -> That was expected as they had one of the best cars last season .
Gotta go , got an exam tomorrow :(
anon
10th February 2010, 8:05
Does anybody have the autosport live commntary link??
BBT
10th February 2010, 8:08
Not sure about the start time today but last week it was 10am European
mvi
10th February 2010, 8:20
It has started, at 9 am
fabzx
10th February 2010, 8:21
http://www.f1-direct.com/include/livegp/we/temp/essais.php
GB2009
10th February 2010, 8:24
Thanks for the link…anyone got an English one, or if not, can someone post translations of anything major?
Nick Somebody
10th February 2010, 8:28
you can paste that link into Google translate. all you need to do is set it to translate French into English. It’s not a perfect translation but good enough to get the idea of what they are saying.
fabzx
10th February 2010, 8:25
google translate
Bertie
10th February 2010, 8:33
I am not familiar with Jerez at all. Is it a circuit with lots of high speed corners or is it more point and squirt? From the the map it looks like a point and squirt.
Keith Collantine (@keithcollantine)
10th February 2010, 10:38
It’s pretty slow with one or two quick corners. A bit like the Hungaroring.
Ned Flanders
10th February 2010, 11:30
Has everybody noticed the little ‘baby Jerez’ kart track beside the main circuit? Nice idea! All circuits should have one
Chalky
10th February 2010, 13:08
“Has everybody noticed the little �baby Jerez� kart track beside the main circuit? Nice idea! All circuits should have one”
Could you imagine a Suzuka version? :D
Spud
10th February 2010, 13:51
Yeah it’s preety cool isn’t it??
ajokay
10th February 2010, 15:12
Donington Park has one too, it’s outlined in the carpark just to the east of the first corner.
http://maps.google.co.uk/?ie=UTF8&t=h&ll=52.831291,-1.385447&spn=0.004751,0.008658&z=17
Scribe
10th February 2010, 17:46
Have you noticed the baby baby Jerez circuit?
if you zoom in on the baby circuit theres another one next to it!
bwells
10th February 2010, 8:34
autosport worked great for me in english last time but doesn’t seem to be working today… :(
kem
10th February 2010, 8:46
Autosport live commentry here http://live.autosport.com/commentary.php/id/174
bwells
10th February 2010, 8:49
finally… :)
sarthak
10th February 2010, 8:51
where I can watch it live……………
kaushal
10th February 2010, 9:34
Links to follow Jerez testing are given here:
http://bit.ly/dbMXGr
Hope it will be helpful
kem
10th February 2010, 9:00
It has started raining
PJA
10th February 2010, 10:00
Picture from eddstrawF1 tweet at about 9:30, what is this on the McLaren?
http://www.autosport.com/gallery/photo.php/id/13245221
PJA
10th February 2010, 10:03
Bad form to reply to your own post but I now see Keith has some pictures of this and it is being debated on the testing pictures article.
https://www.racefans.net/2010/02/10/f1-testing-pictures-10th-february/
JV
10th February 2010, 10:04
LATEST TIMES
1 Rosberg Mercedes 1m20.927s
2 Buemi Toro Rosso 1m21.031s +0.104
3 Hulkenberg Williams 1m22.243s +1.316
4 Alonso Ferrari 1m22.895s +1.968
5 Kobayashi Sauber 1m23.787s +2.860
6 Button McLaren 1m24.947s +4.020
7 Liuzzi Force India 1m24.968s +4.041
8 Petrov Renault 1m25.440s +4.513
9 Webber Red Bull 1m26.502s +5.575
Arun.India
10th February 2010, 10:08
live timing for today’s test……
http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://www.f1today.nl/live-update/2010/02/10/circuito-de-jerez/&rurl=translate.google.com&twu=1&usg=ALkJrhi89JEDqDvajQu_TRI9MPo6crQ_XQ
Keith Collantine (@keithcollantine)
10th February 2010, 10:44
See here for pictures from the test: F1 testing pictures: 10th February
curedcat
10th February 2010, 10:57
hamilton for V8 championship?
http://www.auto123.com/en/racing-news/other/v8-supercar-team-eyes-lewis-hamilton-for-2010-race?artid=115808&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social-media&utm_campaign=racing
Ned Flanders
10th February 2010, 11:32
Wow… I’d like to see that!
Captain Caveman
10th February 2010, 11:22
anyone know why the session has just been stopped? just picked up on the news via autosport.
kem
10th February 2010, 11:25
@Captain – Red flag because webber has stopped on track after 47 laps, recovery truck has been despatched
ajokay
10th February 2010, 11:38
Where are the Virgins? I was told to expect Virgins!
Scribe
10th February 2010, 17:55
travelling at 72 MILES AN HOUR
whish people had been more clear.
Keith Collantine (@keithcollantine)
10th February 2010, 11:44
The session has restarted after the red flag just before quarter to one local time.
Joe Fernando
10th February 2010, 11:58
How long is the testing? Is the weather alright now?
Ylan Marcel
10th February 2010, 11:50
In this moment, Red Bull show your future champion project!
K
10th February 2010, 12:08
Where’s this Virgin then?
Joe Fernando
10th February 2010, 12:09
Another hour passes without any change to the timing screens due to the rain, so the order at 1pm local time remains as follows:
1 Rosberg 1m20.927s;
2 Buemi 1m21.031s;
3 Hulkenberg 1m22.243s;
4 Alonso 1m22.895s;
5 Kobayashi 1m23.787s;
6 Button 1m24.947s;
7 Liuzzi 1m24.968s;
8 Petrov 1m25.440s;
9 Webber 1m26.502s.
K
10th February 2010, 12:10
Mercedes have a new nose?
epi
10th February 2010, 12:31
Yep looks like it
Today
https://www.racefans.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/rosb_merc_jere_20100210-2.jpg
Previously
https://www.racefans.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/schu_merc_vale_20100203-21.jpg
Looks like they’ve lost the V nose (temporarily?)
din
10th February 2010, 12:30
Do you have timings posted by the cars during rain?
Who set the fastest in wet conditions?
Keith Collantine (@keithcollantine)
10th February 2010, 12:44
The rain has varied in intensity so it’s hard to say. At the moment they’re in the low 30s.
Kanyima
10th February 2010, 12:33
Time in the wet:
1.-Webber 1.27.086
2.-Button 1.27.793
3.-Hulkenberg 1.28.679
4.-Rosberg 1.28.988
5.-Buemi 1.28.825
6.-Alonso 1.29.602
7.-Kobayashi 1.30.077
TIAGO
10th February 2010, 14:51
Can someon update the time sheets?
Keith Collantine (@keithcollantine)
10th February 2010, 12:35
Virgin finally got their car on track for an installation lap shortly before lunch:
https://www.racefans.net/2010/02/10/f1-testing-pictures-10th-february/gloc_virg_20100210-2/
K
10th February 2010, 12:44
I wish they’d set some times, I’m eager to jump to unfounded conclusions ;)
Hywel
10th February 2010, 13:05
Anyone else noticed how Webber put his helmet and HANS infront of the diffuser when he got out of the car? It blocked almost all of the diffuser from view. Here’s a photo of it if anyone hasn’t seen it.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8508080.stm
Pat
10th February 2010, 13:10
Keith does this page “auto- refresh” if not can you set it up so it does a la the updates on the updates Autosport ?
K
10th February 2010, 13:19
It’s ridiculous, they can’t stop people from seeing it and taking photos.
K
10th February 2010, 13:20
lol that was supposed to be a reply for the comment above.
spawinte
10th February 2010, 13:12
I don’t know why they bother, hell the official F1 site had a full set of diffuser photos up on the first day of testing. :)
Joshy
10th February 2010, 13:22
Hey Keith there is a type error. You put Circuito do Jerez. Its correct spelling is Circuito de Jerez. Change the “do” to “de”.
K
10th February 2010, 13:23
Ferrari say:
“Maybe the weather could improve in around one hour”
Wow that’s impressive stuff, they should go into meteorology with insights like that. I think the weather here in London might change in an hour, I hope the Met office are reading this and taking notes.
Scribe
10th February 2010, 13:27
You know what, I’m glad it rained. Now the timmings mean nothing and we can’t pretend that we do.
Also it’s not endemic here but whats with all this panic about McLaren. James Allen reckons they could be fastest. Everyone with actual know reckons they;ve deffinately built themselves a car spelt CAR. Flow paint and air structures is just McLaren doing they’re usuall check it thrice regime.
FLuidd
10th February 2010, 13:33
right… keep dreaming…
Scribe
10th February 2010, 14:06
great retort there man. felt the venom.
any evidence to contradict me with?
FLuidd
10th February 2010, 14:10
Is it me or you are a Mclaren fan ? You have to judge the current situation using facts and the fact is Mclaren is barely moving and this is not good.
FLuidd
10th February 2010, 14:12
and who the … is james allen ? since when do we trust his opinions ?
go take a cold shower or something.
K
10th February 2010, 14:30
lol How about we hold this off until Bahrain.
The Comedian 39
10th February 2010, 14:37
woah FLuidd, calm down man, no need for insults. James Allen was commentator on ITV 4 a while.. runs a blog or summin now.
Adrian
10th February 2010, 14:39
James Allen is one the most highly respected F1 journalists in the UK. He has inside connections up and down the pitlane and his analysis is pretty much always spot on.
I also have to ask, if McLaren are barely moving and are near the top of the timesheets, what does that say about everyone who is slower than them??
And can I ask of which team you are a fan??
Scribe
10th February 2010, 14:59
“go take a cold shower”, you ever heared of irony?
as Adrian said James Allen, is a highly respected F1 journo, who used to be itv lead commentator on f1, he was a hell of a lot better than Legard, and I trust his opinion over yours, an you still haven’t raised any source or evidence apart from … where you want to be swearing.
And yes I am a McLaren fan, but ask the Ferrari fans on here if i’m not a fair one. An since I never saw you on the forum or as part of this community before, how about cutting out the “we”.
You haven’t even cut past my original point, McLaren check everything, in lots of different ways, they are infact known for it. An seeing as Ross Brawn, some of the guys at Ferrari, including the president and technical director, an respected F1 sources, say that McLaren are fine, why the panic.
GeeMac
10th February 2010, 13:58
I’m surprised Virgin have stuck with the overly simple front wing. I thought thy would have brought a slightly revised version to this test, but it is early days I guess. Plenty of time for them to test a more comlex version.
Scribe
10th February 2010, 15:10
To be totaly honnest, that worries me.
All the downforce that wing is producing must be comming at quite the drag cost. I thought they’d at least manage cascades.
Seeing as the front wing, along with the diffuser, is one of the least restricted and most complex elements left on the cars, it’s early days so, once again its not panic time but surley they’ll have something for the Barca, an they’ve got to have something for Bahrain.
GeeMac
10th February 2010, 15:18
All we can do is wait and see… it’s either a stroke of genius or an epic fail. I really hope it’s not the latter.
Scribe
10th February 2010, 15:28
Same, I kind of find myself secretly rooting for Virgin from time to time.
Make tony the airhostess.
Skett
10th February 2010, 17:01
It may be the most complex but they also had to design and build a car from the ground up with no previous work to build on. I think they’ve simply done the same thing I would have, keep bits that can be easily changed later simple. Spend the time on chassis and diffuser design, wings can be changed later without too much hassle.
mani
10th February 2010, 14:39
Button has done a 1.38.785 and pitted, it was around 8.5 seconds off pace than his previous lap… any idea what has happened?
FLuidd
10th February 2010, 15:03
Button has done a 1.38.785 and pitted … nice call james allen.
I was a Minardi fan , but now I’m favoring Bmw-Sauber.
FLuidd
10th February 2010, 15:05
I judge the teams by the actual lap times. Facts facts facts.
Scribe
10th February 2010, 15:14
well that shows why your so off then.
How many times are you going to need to hear this.
Testing times are famously deceptive if they wern’t BAR and Prost would’ve won something.
This year the times mean even less, because of the massive fuel tanks and variations in fuel levels. Anyone reading into them clearly isn’t listening to sense.
FLuidd
10th February 2010, 15:19
I know that those times don’t mean much but it is a whole lot more that james allen’s opinions.
Scribe
10th February 2010, 15:27
a whole lot less actually, the man has real paddock contacts, also less than Aldo Costa’s opinions, Ross Brawns opinions? Because they all seem to be in agreement.
An why the James Allen hate? Man has an excellent blog
http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/
suggest you read it.
Jerom9
10th February 2010, 14:46
It’s lap before pit. If you’ll see series, first and last lap are usually very slow.
wasiF1
10th February 2010, 14:53
1 Rosberg Mercedes 1m20.927s
2 Buemi Toro Rosso 1m21.031s +0.104
3 Hulkenberg Williams 1m22.243s +1.316
4 Alonso Ferrari 1m22.895s +1.968
5 Kobayashi Sauber 1m23.787s +2.860
6 Button McLaren 1m24.947s +4.020
7 Liuzzi Force India 1m24.968s +4.041
8 Petrov Renault 1m25.440s +4.513
9 Webber Red Bull 1m26.502s +5.575
All timing unofficial. Updated: 13:42 GM
wasiF1
10th February 2010, 14:54
Rosberg doing 1:33
Hulkenberg doing 1:30
wasiF1
10th February 2010, 15:00
T.Glock for the Virgin racing on his first outing did 1:38:734s
TIAGO
10th February 2010, 15:00
thank you very much.
It looks like Ross Brawn was sayng the truth, the Mercedes seems to be working very quick
Scribe
10th February 2010, 15:04
TIAGO. In dry running.
Wet weather testing makes the unreliable lap times completely irrelavant.
Still It wouldn’t hurt if we could see the quickets wet weather runs.
anyone made the 28’s?
Ninjenius
10th February 2010, 15:10
Hulkenberg produced a 1:28.606 about half an hour ago…
wasiF1
10th February 2010, 15:07
@ TIAGO
It’s wet out there,top nine times remain unchanged since the start of the rain.The fastest laps for all but Glock was in the dry.
Scribe
10th February 2010, 15:15
@wasif1, his intallation lap was in the dry?
has virgin set a time yet>?
wasiF1
10th February 2010, 15:24
@ Scribe
Glock for Virgin sets 1m38.734s
wasiF1
10th February 2010, 15:14
I know it’s off tropic but the ticket sales has open for the 2010 SINGAPORE FORMULA 1 GRAND PRIX
http://www.bookf1.com/singapore-formula-1-grand-prix-127/tickets.htm
TIAGO
10th February 2010, 15:16
I still think that the Mercedes car will be very good, they have a new nose and general updates arriving, the coment’s on this link show you that their car wasn’t working properly due to imbalance, craking exausts and other minor problems. Even wiht those problems Shumi clocked the 3rd best time….. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8497716.stm
Scribe
10th February 2010, 15:20
Yes they’ve deffinatley improved the package, how much though we can’t tell.
I saw that interveiw after the Valencia test finished an Brawn reckons they’re a wee bit behind the leader.
Rosberg says they can catch up but Schumacher says he doesn’t think they’ll be winning much over the fly aways though they’ll have a competative season. I think he reckons his title shot will come in 2011 or 2012
epi
10th February 2010, 15:44
Part of me think that Schumi would prefer a year in a car which is slightly off pace so he can get back into his groove. Rosberg however wants to hit the ground running and win this season.
wasiF1
10th February 2010, 15:16
From autosports
“If anything the conditions appear to be getting slightly worse now. The spray behind the cars is increasing,”
wasiF1
10th February 2010, 15:27
Alonso just did 1:28:7 .
FLuidd
10th February 2010, 15:58
@ scribe : “Because they all seem to be in agreement.” they are in agreement because the teams feed him lies and later he posts them on his blog. I find it hard to believe that F1 teams confide in him. I’ve read his latest entry on his blog and I believe he is just rambling or stating the obvious.
enough of this J.A. … I demand fast lap times ^^
*today’s testing is pretty much over…
Scribe
10th February 2010, 18:03
er Ross Brawn and Aldo Costa, you know who these people are right? have said this entirely seperateley of James Allen.
Also, I think your seriously underestimaiting Allen, It seems unwise to dismiss what is widley agreed, and I agree, to be an excellent F1 blog out of hand. You clearly haven’t read him to closley.
http://bit.ly/do2mGy
Read this entry. An stop pretending you know more than Allen.
GeeMac
10th February 2010, 15:34
One more observation about the Virgin and it’s much talked about CFD only design process. Does anyone remember when Sauber built their state of the art wind tunnel a few years back (2001 – 2002 I think)? They thought the first car they built using it (the 2004 car I believe) was going to be a world beater, but it was initially much much slower than anticipated because of the incorrect data that the wind tunnel churned out.
Now I know that CFD and wind tunnel testing are different processes, but doesn’t this show that putting too much faith in one resource can backfire. This has really been bugging me recently. After seeing the established teams going round and round Valencia and Jerez in search of more and more valuable and accurate data, using vis-flow paint and that strange contraption McLaren used this morning, the bee began flying round and round in my bonnet again.
I know much of the argument in this regard has come and gone, and I am sorry for bringing it up again. Any thoughts?
epi
10th February 2010, 15:53
Fluid flow as a science is very inexact at times. Most of the time it is models based upon empirical data (like that ugly thing hanging off the McLaren)
By designing a car completely on CFD, Virgin are placing faith in the fact that enough windtunnel data has been collected by scientists and engineers over the years that the the CFD package can correctly “guess” what will happen.
Racin Rob
10th February 2010, 15:54
The key word is correlation.
The CFD approach can be successful if they had a history of good correlation between CFD, Tunnel and Actual testing.
I can see Wirth having a decent amount of data from previous projects (IE Acura LMP car) that has shown correlation between the three. Allowing a decent amount of confidence in the math of their CFD simulation.
The problem lies in the fact that the LMP car is a very different animal. Not to mention in relative terms the laptime spacing from 1 LMP to the next is larger meaning to be in the “ball park” so to speak, the car doesn’t have to be nearly as developed as an F1 car.
I think we’ll find the Virgin car will be close but will need the tunnel to achieve the last little bit to be truely competitive.
I hope I’m wrong though, because the potential time and cost savings could be quite significant.
Rob
K
10th February 2010, 16:23
C24, 2005, first car designed using the wind tunnel. But it’s worth remembering they were CFD also with their fancy purpose built super computer Albert. I don’t think anyone expected them to win the championship.
It’s always going to be advantageous to verify and cross reference different data sources. I doubt you’ll see top teams shutting down their wind tunnels if the VR-01 is an aerodynamic success.
Catalina :)
10th February 2010, 15:58
session is ending
Osvaldas
10th February 2010, 16:01
Hi, I just was shocked by terrible news. Here, in Lithuania f1 broadcasting from this season is transfered to paid tv channel. Maybe someone can help me: which sites show best f1 coverage. Thanks in advance.
Ned Flanders
10th February 2010, 16:15
Ahh bad luck Osvaldas! I get BBC coverage so I don’t watch F1 online, but I believe you can on justintv.com (or co.uk, or something like that).
If that fails I suggest you emigrate to a country which doesn’t make you pay to watch F1!
K
10th February 2010, 16:26
https://www.racefans.net/2008/12/11/want-to-watch-f1-on-bbc-iplayer-from-outside-the-uk-its-not-going-to-be-easy/
bwells
10th February 2010, 16:04
well first off the time sheets show then 17 sec back.. but obviously the Virgin car only ran in the rain.. so there around 10 sec back in the rain..
but we need to see them on a dry run before any judgment can be passed.. I’m sure they were told to be very gentle on any laps they did.. I don’t see them having many spare parts..
So lets hope it’s dry tomorrow for everybody… :)
Even though the rain is constantly changing and affecting rain times.. it would be awesome to have some final times set in the rain… just to ponder.. :)
jonathan
10th February 2010, 16:16
typo The track: Circuito do Jerez.
Ned Flanders
10th February 2010, 16:16
So Virgin are 18 seconds off the pace… that doesn’t bode well!
bwells
10th February 2010, 16:33
Oh Ned… lol… come on now… those are wet times compared to dry..
let’s not be worried quite yet.. :)
Ned Flanders
10th February 2010, 16:43
Don’t worry dude, I was just kidding. But I can’t help but think they’ll still be off the pace in the dry too. Mabye not 18 seconds too slow though!
bwells
10th February 2010, 16:59
ya there around 10 sec from the other wet pace..
hopefully there will be some good dry running tomorrow.. :) I want to see them do well.. at least beat Lotus.. Fernandez will look funnier in that stewardess outfit.. :)
jonathan
10th February 2010, 16:17
…..and they only covered 5 laps
Scribe
10th February 2010, 18:06
if you ask me 5 laps is a bigger problem then whatever they’re dry pace might be.
Force Maikel
10th February 2010, 16:18
today’s test was actually a mess because of the rain. some drivers like webber were not out before the rain started to fall and so no one was abble to attack rosberg’s time. there is no possible way you can judge any car by today bad weather. lets hope it stays dry tomorrow or that it continues to rain non stop.
Striay
10th February 2010, 17:40
:O Keith, what tickets to you have? I will be going next week too! But the tickets I have are very restrictive. Until when are you staying? E-mail me if you can
thanx!
Keith Collantine (@keithcollantine)
10th February 2010, 18:13
I’ve not got tickets I’ve got a media accreditation. I’m here until Saturday.
Striay
10th February 2010, 19:56
Oh :( and how did you get these if I may ask? lol. As you may know from ny previous emails I have been wanting to go through to the paddock for a long time so if you know how I could get through please tell me :)
Paradoxos
10th February 2010, 18:17
Keith, just to let you know that I think the numbers for the W01 don’t add up with the ones for each driver.-
Keith Collantine (@keithcollantine)
10th February 2010, 18:33
Sorry, typo – fixed it now.
Alejandro
10th February 2010, 23:58
This you around 1:20 Keith? yeap :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mhjr8A3o7p8&feature=player_embedded
K
11th February 2010, 12:55
lol It is as well, man that’s some eagle eye you got there, nice video also.
Elliot
11th February 2010, 7:57
Hi ya, has anyone got a link to live feeding so that i can watch the testing, i dont want the commentry, i just want to watch it
PLEASE HELP
Elliot
tiago
11th February 2010, 11:00
Hi Guys, is anyone able to provide the times so far? or a link that would work from the UK, it doesn’t bother me TV or radio but please Live!!!
tiago
11th February 2010, 12:06
anyone can poste the new times?