Bottas edges Hamilton in second practice

34 comments on “Bottas edges Hamilton in second practice”

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   Xaerun
   14th July 2017, 14:21

   Why do they keep showing us this shoulder cam angle when the majority of the fans don’t want it. I hope someone tell them to broadcast the T-cam on all cars at least for qualifying.
   1. 

      Paat
      14th July 2017, 14:28

      How do you know the majority of the fans don’t want it? The commentators seem to like it plenty, I for one like it plenty because it’s closer to the driver’s vision and there’s more of a sense of speed (that’s why the dash cameras of the 90s were so awesome).
      But of course, you might be right, I just never saw anything that pointed to the majority of viewers preferring the roll-hoop camera over the over-the-shoulder camera.
      1. 

         GS (@gsagostinho)
         14th July 2017, 14:29

         I, for one, also like it a lot. Also, people happy with something are less likely to vocalize it then people unhappy with something ;)
      2. 

         Xaerun
         14th July 2017, 14:39

         Go to F1 reddit or YouTube and you will see many comments that they don’t want this shoulder cam angle. The cars look so sluggish from the shoulder camera, it’s terrible. The T-cam is always the best. The low angle is for being as close as what the driver sees, but it’s unnecessary and wrong actually because the angle zooms in too much. T-cam works much better in terms of giving you the perfect sense of speed and it let us see more of what the driver is doing. An example would be Hamilton’s pole in Canada, we can’t see how close he got to the wall of champs because it’s on the other side, blocked. Another one is Vettel hitting Hamilton in Baku, we can’t actually see whether Vettel physically controlled the car to ‘ram’ into Hamilton. For sure it has its ups and downs, but the only way for it to work ‘properly’ is for both cameras, shoulder and T-cam to be broadcasted to FOM, So when situations come, such as pole lap and circumstances that require the T-cam, it’s easier and more feasible.
         1. 

            Martin
            14th July 2017, 15:36

            Another one is Vettel hitting Hamilton in Baku, we can’t actually see whether Vettel physically controlled the car to ‘ram’ into Hamilton

            To an extent you can. Though the view of Vettel’s steering wheel is blocked you have a clear view of the steering arm connected to the front left. It is clear from the onboard that the steering straightens as he draws alongside Hamilton, then turns back to the right just before impact.

            Anyway I too also favour the over the shoulder cam. I feel the T cam is too clinical.
         2. 

            SatchelCharge (@satchelcharge)
            14th July 2017, 16:02

            Exactly. The shoulder cam is terrible.
         3. 

            rpiian (@rpiian)
            14th July 2017, 16:15

            Agreed. Ban it. Kill it with fire!
            1. 

               Understeer (@abdelilah)
               14th July 2017, 16:47

               @rpiian I like it, it makes you much closer of the bumps of the circuit while giving you a better impression of the speed IMO.
   2. 

      verstappen (@verstappen)
      14th July 2017, 18:07

      Shoulder cam rules!
      Now they just need to put it on the helmet and add the sound of the heart beat and breathing and it would be perfect
      1. 

         72defender (@72defender)
         14th July 2017, 18:26

         Lol @Verstappen!
2. 

   Todfod (@todfod)
   14th July 2017, 14:35

   Everytime I see Hulkenberg somewhere around the top quarter of the time sheets, my eyes automatically scroll to the bottom quarter of the time sheets to look for Joylon.
   1. 

      miki
      14th July 2017, 14:56

      if Sauber has a respectable car that would be worse
   2. 

      Ashwin (@redbullf1)
      14th July 2017, 14:57

      Yeah Jol’s time always seems to be = team mates time + 1 sec
      1. 

         JC
         14th July 2017, 15:08

         Similarly I look for Fernando’s time to see what the McLaren Honda is capable of!
         1. 

            Kringle
            14th July 2017, 15:59

            Haha! Exactly this! This was the first thing I did, check Alonso and then the gap between Hulk and Jolyon. I didn’t think anyone else did that.
            1. 

               KimiRaikkonen1207 (@kimiraikkonen1207)
               14th July 2017, 19:27

               Add one more (also I used to check Massa vs Stroll)
            2. 

               Hugh (@hugh11)
               15th July 2017, 9:10

               I did the same, but the other way round
      2. 

         anon
         14th July 2017, 18:19

         @redbullf1, cynically speaking, I wouldn’t be surprised if Renault have got to the point where they are giving Palmer as little support as they can get away with in the hope that he does badly, therefore giving them a reason to sack him.

         They didn’t really want him in the first place – he stayed mainly because they couldn’t get anybody else – and given they’ve said that they will be building the team around Hulkenberg, they probably don’t really care who is in the second seat so long as they don’t get in Hulkenberg’s way (Magnussen complained that Renault were offering him very little support when they offered him a deal last year). The team does have a long history of giving fairly poor treatment to their second drivers, and they’ve shown little sign of changing those policies in recent years.
         1. 

            Ashwin (@redbullf1)
            14th July 2017, 21:56

            Hmm neve thought of it that way, but yeah could happen considering the teams will do anything to validate their decisions.

            @anon
   3. 

      rpiian (@rpiian)
      14th July 2017, 16:13

      LOL me too! So much for Jo doing well with his revelation in performance – at his home track no less.
   4. 

      verstappen (@verstappen)
      14th July 2017, 18:09

      Hulk – scroll for teammate
      Massa – scroll for teammate (make the pun yourself)
      Alonso – scroll for teammate
      1. 

         Michael (@freelittlebirds)
         14th July 2017, 21:15

         @verstappen

         Ricciardo – look for teammate in the pits :-)
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   Ashwin (@redbullf1)
   14th July 2017, 14:59

   I’m not a fan of Bottas but I hope he wins this gp !
4. 

   Michael
   14th July 2017, 15:31

   I think Hamster has something up his sleeve. But Rosamary was also very fast around this track. Joking apart, expecting a good qualy battle between two.
   1. 

      Tom
      14th July 2017, 16:14

      who and who ?
5. 

   Ed Marques (@edmarques)
   14th July 2017, 15:56

   Hamilton have some time in hand. The doubt is if Ferrari will be closer tomorrow.
   Should be a great fight for pole.
   1. 

      George (@george)
      14th July 2017, 17:54

      @edmarques
      He had time in hand in Austria too, doesn’t mean anything if you can’t put the lap together.
      1. 

         pSynrg (@psynrg)
         14th July 2017, 18:07

         @george I know right! He’s so bad at putting a lap together he’s still only second for poles in the all-time rankings. Haha. What a loser!
         1. 

            Baron
            14th July 2017, 18:53

            Can you imagine what the record would have been if Senna had the performance advantage Hamilton has enjoyed for the last 3 years. With 20 races a year or more and a Rosberg for a teammate. He would have been well passed 70.
            1. 

               Kgn11
               15th July 2017, 8:13

               @Baron

               Can you imagine what the record would’ve been like if Senna had performance the advantage or subservient teammates lSchumacher had from 2000-04, especially 2004?

               He could’ve well been pass 80.
   2. 

      Baron
      14th July 2017, 18:49

      @edmarques
      I doubt it. Ferrari (or Red Bull) need to be well ahead in qualy simulations to compensate Mercedes’ q3 boost. Here I reckon the difference between Mercs’ q2 time and q3 will be at least 5 tenths.
6. 

   Ben Rowe (@thegianthogweed)
   14th July 2017, 18:09

   The Mercedes isn’t looking that reliable this year! :
   https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/bottas-grid-penalty-british-gp-gearbox-mercedes-930630/

   That is now a retirement plus a gear box penalty for Bottas. Hamilton had this same issue last race too.
7. 

   trublu (@trublu)
   14th July 2017, 18:21

   “Unlike Bottas, Hamilton set his best time on the soft tyre compound. He was over a tenth of a second quicker through the first sector of the lap on his qualifying simulation, but a mistake at Becketts spoiled his flying lap.”

   There’s no mention of what tires Bottas used to set his time.
   1. 

      Blazzz
      14th July 2017, 18:34

      Supersoft for Bottas, Softs for Hamilton.

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