Rio Haryanto, Manor, Red Bull Ring, 2016

Haryanto to complete season with Manor

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In the round-up: Rio Haryanto, whose place at Manor was in doubt beyond the summer break, now appears to have secured his place at the team until the end of the year.

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The big question after Austria is where exactly have Mercedes drawn the line between their two drivers?

Rosberg openly said it was his corner so he could push Hamilton off if he wanted to. Is that how Mercedes view it? Is it OK in their view for Rosberg to deliberately push his team mate off the track?

Mercedes can do whatever they want here but if I ran a team and one of the drivers admitted he tried to push the other off track, I would be extremely angry and would point out that if you want to drive one of my cars, you don’t drive like that against a team mate.

I’m not picking on Rosberg – both should be told this is unacceptable.
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  • 57 comments on “Haryanto to complete season with Manor”

    1. That F1 game finally looks like the F1 game we’ve been wanting for 7 years, almost to the point where I am tempted to buy an xbox one or PS4 just to play it! It genuinely looks fantastic!

      1. Agreed, it looks superb. I can’t wait!

      2. @strontium it looks nice, but does it feel nice? I’ve played previous versions and it’s always felt as an arcade. Unless that’s what you are looking for… try iRacing otherwise !

        I find it funny how weird people look in this series by Codemasters. The car looks terrific (a bit too shiny for my liking but that’s the way it is with modern games), but the engineers, the drivers, the mechanics… they look terrifying!

        1. … Well, iRacing is a bit arcadey for me, I mean, it’s ok if that’s what your after. But, otherwise, try actual Karting.

          1. @mike I’d love it, but not on the same price :P I do own a kart together with a friend but that’s not race-ready. We’re basically mechanics rather than drivers LOL.

      3. They hype it every year. But always problems. I’d wait and see.

        1. Yeah they seem to swing back and forth every year.

          2013 – “cut down career mode so we can include classic cars, BEST THING EVER!”
          2014 – “cut out classic cars and rushed out on second gen so we can concentrate on new gen in 2015, BEST THING EVER”
          2015 – “now on next gen, but cut career mode and most features people didn’t care about, but you get two seasons of cars, BEST THING EVER”
          2016 – “added back all those features and made career mode longer than ever, BEST THING EVER”

          They need to find a decent game formula and finally stick with it.

          1. maarten.f1 (@)
            8th July 2016, 6:38

            @graham228221 It’s a Formula One game, isn’t it? I don’t have any problems with them swinging back and forth, after all, it’s nothing Formula One wouldn’t do.

          2. @graham228221, The 2015 version was also severely panned for being riddled with bugs – I believe that there was one bug that would sometimes cause the wrong track to be loaded for some players during a multiplayer session. It’s a pretty major game breaking flaw when you could join a multiplayer session and found yourself on an entirely different circuit to everybody else.

    2. https://vimeo.com/173717899
      onboard highlights from Austria. Includes Wherlein reversing on the grid and a few laps of Hamilton hunting rosberg.

      1. And probably also Verstappen passing Ricciardo which was completely missed by the tv coverage (onboard Vettel).

      2. pastaman (@)
        8th July 2016, 13:34

        Please stop posting these publicly, unless you want that channel removed from the internet

    3. I agree with Felipe. I said so before, when we were discussing penalties not long ago (can’t remember the article, sorry!).

      I think racing situations should be left alone, unless it’s something like Grosjean’s stunt at Belgium in 2012 or something explicit in the rules as with Magnussen and Werhlein last sunday. Specially when the driver assumed guilty is already naturally penalized with a damaged car or loss of time.

      Getting it wrong sometimes it’s also part of racing. There’s always more than 1 point of view on some moves, and judgement is not easy, even if it looks completely one-sided.

      I don’t agree with Rosberg’s move in any way, for that matter, I think it was stupid and I’m glad it didn’t work. But still…

      1. I agree. There’s a difference between recklessness and hard racing, and Sunday’s battle falls into the latter in my view. Hogging the ideal line, forcing the other driver into an awkward position… isn’t that what racecraft is? We had the two championship leaders going into the final lap fighting for the victory, should either be expected to give way? It’s almost as if the stewards are saying “look, we’ve set up these DRS zones so you can get past each other, no need for this wheel-banging nonsense”. I’m just glad Rosberg did what he did and, judging from his comments, would do it again.

      2. I have to disagree, because that view is one that leads to us, and we shout loudly about it often enough, to complain about inconsistent decisions and penalties. It doesn’t matter whether the accident is with his team partner or any other driver, and it alsodoesn’t amtter whether he finishes 1st or last, the penalties have to be consistent.
        Driver A caused the accident – Penalty X
        Driver B has body parts trapped under the car and fails to follow the rules – penalty Y. It could be dangerous for him and/or others if he loses control, if the part comes free or breaks up, those parts could be run over and flicked into the air.

        Does Massa want a repeat of his Hungary accident, to himself or others? No. Therefore Rosberg should have stopped, or at least pulled into the pits, just like he would have done if it was any other lap.

      3. I am not sure about it @fer-no65. On the one hand if a driver punishes himself with his move like Rosberg did and the other guy(s) involved are not much affected I would be all for saying – yeah that was not ok, but no further penalty.

        On the other hand, that is more or less what the stewards did here – the penalty, while in line with previous penalties for the same given in the past – in effect it did not affect the relt. But it did have the advantage of giving a clearl signal that drivers should not push it too far (Rosberg clearly was not giving Hamilton any room to stay on track)

    4. Carl Haas. Another racing legend.
      May I express all our sympathies to his family.

      1. Indeed @nickwyatt, we can all be gratefull for his fenturing into motorsports and all he has brought to our sport.

    5. I also think that Rosberg knows full well that Hamilton is better. Who wouldn’t? No one in the grid, appart from Alonso and Vettel, has the results nor the skill to put themselves in the same league as Lewis. Nico is VERY good, he’s probably at his best now, but there are certain things he doesn’t have which Lewis does. The experience of winning F1 championships for instance.

      1. True, but Hamilton has had a hell of a lot more experience in a front-running team. Debut with a team like McLaren and the first win in his rookie season.

        Rosberg had a race-winning car in only his seventh season, 2012. So its understandable why Hamilton has more finesse while racing in the spotlight.

      2. Oh, I am sure that Rosberg knows that Hamilton has the bit more talent @fer-no65. But then again he’s showing sportmanship by taking to the challenge to find a crack, play out his advantages and all chances he has to try and beat him.

        Isn’t that what we all enjoy about sports – seeing people try their best to beat others, and at times the “underdog” winning by sheer determination, excellent preperation and some luck (see Iceland or Wales in the Europena football championship this year). I really admire that as much (or maybe more?) as it is great to see incredible ability used to its full potential.

        1. “Sheer determination”, should NOT deceide races, sheer determination to win is exactly what we saw from nico in Austria…. Or nico in Monaco last year…

          Time to retire nico! Go spend time with the family.

    6. Murray is right. Can anyone name one instance Nico passed Lewis (grid starts and poor pitstops aside) on track and actually beat him during a race?

      Nico reminds me how about we used to talk about Vettel during his Red bull years. Dominant car, easy wins and yet his racing skills were always questioned. I can accept Nico is fast and consistent. Like Vettel. However Vettel proved he has some racecraft and manages to maintain the absolute limit, but never going over it. Will any of us consider Nico a worthy champion if he wins because of Lewis his reliability problems?

      Because of the performance gap Mercedes can afford to race without team orders.
      With next years rules in effect this might be Nico’s last change at winning a title. If Red Bull hit the ground running like everyone thinks they will do and the performance gap is closed, there will be more team orders because of points.

      1. “Will any of us consider Nico a worthy champion if he wins because of Lewis his reliability problems?”

        Yes, because he’s not winning it on Lewis reliability problems alone. Not his fault that Lewis made mistakes at Baku, Bahrain and Australia for instance. And before the turn 2 incident, he could’ve won Austria too after another Lewis mistake on his outlap following his second pit stop…

        1. Also Hamilton wasn’t the one with a brake problem at Monaco or a puncture at Canada either…

          1. That Monaco brake problem never existed @craig-o . He was just slow that day.

      2. What difference does it make if Nico passes Lewis on turn 1, lap 1 or turn 10, lap 50?

        Nico ultimately beat Lewis in Australia and Bahrain by getting the better start which put him in the position to win whilst in Austria Lewis was able to catch and overtake (or rather get turned into by) Nico after a questionably strategy call. Why are Nico’s victories considered to be less of a beating simply because he got the job done at a different phase of the race?

      3. RP (@slotopen)
        8th July 2016, 3:00

        Worthy champion? He’s beating Hamilton, and not just because of reliability. He’s started better. Since Austin last year Rosberg has been very strong.

        He might not have Hamilton’s “outbursts of brilliance”. Sure he makes brainless moves in tight races. But he hasn’t crashed out of qualifying either. .

        I’ve written before -we all know Hamilton is better – except he hasn’t been since Austin! Hamilton might be talented enough to overcome reliability problems, but crashing out of qualifying and starting slow might be too much.

        7 wins in a row with Hamilton as your teammate? Worthy.

        (Of couse I still hope Hamilton drives to his potential and takes WDC)

      4. This is like DC v Mika back in the day. As DC has admitted a number of times in recent years, Mika was quicker, but at the height of the powers in the late 90s, there was no chance he was going to concede.

        Nico will probably reflect in years to come and arrive at the same conclusion, Lewis is a tad quicker.

        If I was Rosberg, I would be frustrated as hell! Even after spending all the time that he does in pouring over data, talking to engineers at the factory, he still can’t get a clear advantage over Lewis who somehow can somehow fly around to parties all week and turn up on Saturday afternoon and park it on pole. This is bit like Romario back in the day!

        1. I think this is the important part @jaymenon10

          If I was Rosberg, I would be frustrated as hell! Even after spending all the time that he does in pouring over data, talking to engineers at the factory, he still can’t get a clear advantage over Lewis

          Instead of bashing Nico for not being quite as incredibly talented as Hamilton we should admire his will to keep trying to find that edge despite having seen Hamilton step up to match what edges he does find and come out on top for most of their careers now. And I am convinced that it helped us to get Hamilton stay on the top of his game for the last couple of years too.

          That is why, if he does find enough to bet Hamilton in the same car he will be a very deserved champion

        2. the coulthard-hakkinen analogy is a good one, but i think rosberg is almost equal to hamilton in qualifying. hamilton is clearly a better racer (wheel-to-wheel, changeable conditions, etc.). but regarding rosberg looking at hamilton’s data, i think that’s wrong because hamilton often mentions doing that in practice sessions because nico can dial in a setup better/more quickly.

          1. I think with regards to the setup its rather the other way around (we say it in past seasons that Rosberg would be faster on fridays and then Hamilton would learn from that setup and improve on Saturday).

    7. Does anyone else find this surprisingly catchy?
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gc7av-OXMyg

      1. Hahaha yeah ‘for sure’! Last press conference in Austria when he did it even the Journo’s laughed!

      2. Hahahaha oh my god what is that!!!!

    8. Murray Walker is to F1 as much as Senna, Mansell, Fangio or Schumacher is.

      As far as I am concerned, there should be a seat in the commentary box left open.

      1. If he is too frail to make a race, let’s give him a microphone at home so he can join in on the commentary team.

      2. Willem Cecchi (@)
        8th July 2016, 7:44

        Murray is a legend.

    9. Neil (@neilosjames)
      8th July 2016, 5:54

      If someone had done to Massa what Rosberg did to Hamilton, they’d need an armed guard for the rest of their life because he’d still be furiously accusing them of trying to kill him in 2045.

    10. ColdFly F1 (@)
      8th July 2016, 5:59

      Six days and counting.
      Last weekend Manor and Wehrlein had a well deserved point finish in the Austrian GP. It was a well deserved win and a very solid drive by Wehrlein. Manor to me is what a pure racing team looks like. They focus on their performance and there is very little distracting side stories. Yes they might employ a pay driver, but that’s more the result of the sick payment structure of F1 rather than lack of wanting by Manor.
      I haven’t seen the result of the DOTW, but I surely hope Wehrlein gets some recognition by us.

      But unfortunately the press and we spent six days (and counting) discussing an incident by 2 silver cars and their drivers. And it was not even the first time such an incident happened, and neither will it be the last time.

      I hope we spend more time in the future reviewing and discussing the positive racing stories.

      1. @coldfly, May i ask what makes Manor a pure racing team, more than others? Is it sympathy for their struggles, or being the underdog?

        1. ColdFly F1 (@)
          8th July 2016, 7:46

          Manor to me is what a pure racing team looks like. They focus on their performance and there is (sic) very little distracting side stories.

          @me4me

      2. @coldfly I agree that it was great for Manor and I agree that they deserve time in the spotlight for it, but it just happened to occur in the same race where something that happens so rarely but is yearned for by so many occurred, that being a developing battle for the lead ending up with a crescendo at the climax, and to top it off its between two teammates who happen to be challenging for the world championship. It’s not surprising that it has dominated the headlines, but tough and unlucky for Manor, but at least they should reap the benefits of their hard work by getting points on the board, and you never know hopefully it could happen for them again

    11. PRESSURES for the British GP : 23 psi front – 21.5 psi rear
      I guess we will see 30 psi when we reach Suzuka

    12. In my view Rosberg was penalised for the ‘style’ he employed to defend his position from Hamilton. His intention was no different to that often used by many other drivers including Hamilton and that is to push the attacking driver out wide. Hamilton has done this notably in Japan 15 and Canada 16. Hard racing but fair. Had Rosberg done what he did fractionally later around turn 2 in Austria we would be looking at a very different set of circumstances. In Bahrain 14 after Rosberg was beaten around the outside of turn 1 by Hamilton on more than one occasion, I noted that to stop that during subsequent races there he would pile down the inside and take the apex much later, preventing the other driver a run on him on the drag down to turn 3. So I think Massa is right here, the margins in F1 as we all know are tight and in this instance Rosberg got his comeuppance in the race for a clumsy attempt at a tactic that is an accepted part of F1 racing.

      1. Agree with this. I’ve been pretty disappointed at the over the top tidal wave of outrage toward NR but it is what it is. Lots more racing to come. So so grateful Mercedes gets that it is about the racing and respecting the viewing audience.

        Love love love Murray Walker, but I will say I can’t entirely agree that it was NR that was the only desperate one to win Austria. Can you imagine the tone from points trailing LH and the conspiracy theorists had NR won coming from 6th and undercutting the pole sitter? Of all the radio comm to not be privy to, can you imagine what LH was saying from the time we heard him ask how Nico ended up ahead and on softer tires? And there have certainly been more than a few times when Nico could also have just as easily cranked his steering wheel hard rather than going off and avoiding a collision. Times when he was on the outside and the armchair experts told him in hindsight that never works, which is false, and which seems perfectly fine when LH and others do it. I question, who was the more desperate one at that corner? I doubt it is so clear cut as to say it was only the one who fumbled a similar move in principle that LH would have done, and has, situation reversed.

      2. @mccosmic – I agree with this as well.

        The COTD is off base, in my opinion. I just rewatched Bahrain 2014 and, after the safety car when Nico is dead even or almost dead even going into turn 4 (I believe), and stays right alongside through the turn, Lewis pushes him wide. Same with Japan and US GPs last year (2015) and Canada this year. I admit that I think it is a bit of a dirty racing move but I also fully admit that I understand that this is accepted practice (for whatever reason).

        So–given that history–Nico tries the same move in Austria, is clumsy, has his own race ruined when Lewis takes Nico’s front wing and the win, Nico loses more points than he would have by just ceding the position, and gets penalty points. Yet still, somehow, Mercedes is scheming and plotting to give Nico wins? The conspiracy theorists are too thick here sometimes to see past their own UK-biased views.

        It was hard racing, it was a poorly-executed move, and he paid for it. Let’s move on.

        1. As Keith pointed out Nico pulled the same stunt on Lewis in Canada 14.
          So it’s ironic that you complain about Hamilton’s driving when Rosberg did it before in the first place @mccosmic @hobo .

          1. No complaining @x303. If you read my post again you may be able to interpret the comments as an observation and personal opinion rather than a complaint. “Hard racing but fair.”

            1. Fair enough @mccosmic .

    13. Anyone else wondering how the 2nd RedBull-VES car ends up using it’s 5th allocation of the Control Eelctronics? Everything else is on 2nd allocation. How did this happen? The 1st RedBull-RIC car is still on the 2nd.

      Looking at that chart and thinking about the tokens Renault have, I’m thinking Renault will spend some more tokens when the drivers get to the end of their current engine’s life. Seems a sensible approach

    14. Funny how Vettel mentions that Ferrari needs to push everywhere but leave one clear option unused (spicing up the driver lineup).

      And how strange that the article about Horner mentioning that the tension will not lessen at Mercedes until one of their drivers leave does not mention the explosive Turkey tangle and suberbly bad handling of that by Red Bull.

    15. pastaman (@)
      8th July 2016, 13:43

      I love how the Autosport title says that Haryanto has “Secured” a seat, but in the article itself there is nothing stronger than:

      “There are just a few things that need finalising, but it is now looking good for Rio to continue with Manor for the rest of the season.”

    16. Evil Homer (@)
      8th July 2016, 14:13

      Ah Murray Walker, what a champ, immediately comes to mind is “SPIN SPIN SPIN, ROUND ROUND ROUND” (Senna Australia) and “Unless I am very much mistaken………….. I AM very much mistaken!! (every other race!).

      Yes give the guy a mic and let have him commentate from his lounge room.!! F1 Hall of Fame is not just for the drivers!

      1. One of the ways I talk and think about MW is to say that when he commentated a race you got the feeling there was nothing more important going on in the world for those two hours.

    17. Two championship leaders, fighting for race win, crash on last lap…

      Sounds like the ideal racing incident…

      Steward should award them bonus points not penalty. They are doing F1 a favour, racing that hard.

      1. Ah ah good point @jureo .

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